How long should I wait?

[Volley_Fire]

I will be pinning Test Prop daily (with a front load on day 1). How long should I wait before getting a blood test for accurate results? Will my blood levels be stable by the end of the first week?

 

[Never Been Pinned]

Scroll down in this thread and read Meso blood testing protocol posted by colt

 

[Volley_Fire]

Thanks, don't know how I missed it.

14 days it is, 24 hours +/- 8hrs after last pin.

 

[The Roman]

i think getting bloods done on short esters is stupid and much more unreliable than enth or cyp

 

[MANWHORE]

i think getting bloods done on short esters is stupid and much more unreliable than enth or cyp

The way you're thinking of it is, but it's really the same as a long ester..
It's the same concept just using a shorter ester..

It's all about blood levels building over time..
I think 3 weeks minimum with 100mg ED
and front load is a waste..

M

 

[Volley_Fire]

i think getting bloods done on short esters is stupid and much more unreliable than enth or cyp

So it's stupid to do bloodwork for the purpose of determining the purity/legitimacy of a certain UGL's short ester?

 

[mercury]

Old days I used to do blood after a week, it is already in the system. Waiting 4-5 weeks to find out that you pin corn oil is not a good idea.

 

[lucabratzi]

So it's stupid to do bloodwork for the purpose of determining the purity/legitimacy of a certain UGL's short ester?

I don't think its stupid at all. I don't think the 10x rule applies to short esters thought. Cause it doesn't build up the same way a long ester would so don't look for that 10x number.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I don't think its stupid at all. I don't think the 10x rule applies to short esters thought. Cause it doesn't build up the same way a long ester would so don't look for that 10x number.

Yes it does.. The shorter half life means it doesn't hang around as long but there is still some buildup. Prop peaks faster and harder. That's why there are different times for blood draws between different esters.. Most of the 10x numbers that have been posted on meso are actually from prop.

Do a 200mg shot of TNE and a few hours later do a blood test, you're numbers will be to the moon and there's no buildup there.

 

[The Roman]

So it's stupid to do bloodwork for the purpose of determining the purity/legitimacy of a certain UGL's short ester?

i just think its more difficult to get an accurate reading on a short ester as compared to a long

 

[dmt31]

The shorter the Ester the more testosterone there is. The molecular weight of the Ester takes up space. So a 100mg injection of prop will yield more pure test than a 100mg shot of cyp. I read a long article about it last week, when I get home I'll try to find it again to link it

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

The shorter the Ester the more testosterone there is. The molecular weight of the Ester takes up space. So a 100mg injection of prop will yield more pure test than a 100mg shot of cyp. I read a long article about it last week, when I get home I'll try to find it again to link it

Yes, but it's not really much.. Post the link later though, I'd like to refresh my memory.

 

[dmt31]

Yes, but it's not really much.. Post the link later though, I'd like to refresh my memory.

I will when I get off of girlfriend duty, i hate hallmark holidays

 

[The Roman]

I will when I get off of girlfriend duty, i hate hallmark holidays

me too man. me too.

 

[hotdog23]

i just think its more difficult to get an accurate reading on a short ester as compared to a long

You should have said this first

 

[Dr JIM]

The shorter the Ester the more testosterone there is. The molecular weight of the Ester takes up space. So a 100mg injection of prop will yield more pure test than a 100mg shot of cyp. I read a long article about it last week, when I get home I'll try to find it again to link it

Although T-p is roughly 75% testosterone and T-e is only 55% testosterone these differences should NOT alter the 10X rule bc most studies conducted on testosterone levels for those on TRT, were performed on T-c.

Thus if anything using a shorter ester such as T-p (which contains MORE testosterone on a mg to mg basis compared to T-c) would be expected to be even more compliant with the 10X rule! (That's to say closer to 10x the dose used rather than say 7 or 8x the dose)

The rule of thumb is to obtain a PEAK value after SS levels are achieved and SS levels are reached after FIVE HALF LIVES have passed. Thus for T-p with a half life bt 2-3 days, 2 weeks should be sufficient, although 3 weeks is probably even better.

Thus in this instance a PEAK value is drawn bt 12-36 hours after pin number SIX or SEVEN.

Regs
jim

 

[dper726]

I don't think its stupid at all. I don't think the 10x rule applies to short esters thought. Cause it doesn't build up the same way a long ester would so don't look for that 10x number.

It should fall short of 10x at best but it is still a reliable method. The reason for its possibility of falling short is because it all varies in the users pinning schedule, blood analysis timing.

 

[Bigup7]

So based on all of the comments above................
one should wait about 3 weeks after first pin ( Cyp or E) before blood test and Expect to see 7x - 10x a peak in Test score.................
RIGHT ??

 

[dmt31]

So based on all of the comments above................
one should wait about 3 weeks after first pin ( Cyp or E) before blood test and Expect to see 7x - 10x a peak in Test score.................
RIGHT ??

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[The Roman]

So based on all of the comments above................
one should wait about 3 weeks after first pin ( Cyp or E) before blood test and Expect to see 7x - 10x a peak in Test score.................
RIGHT ??

you could get blood drawn 48 hours after the first pin of test e ever in your life and it should come back 10x, it just doesn't stay there very long until you've had more injections and it stabilizes, so getting bloods done after a few weeks is recommended as its slightly more accurate. i think 7x is a little under dosed personally

Having cared for many men taking 200 mg per week, the results are 1,000+ depending on the testing. If done within the first 2-3 days, levels around 2,000 ng/dL are typical.