How to keep e2 face swelling away ?

[y777]

Hi guys

Just wanted to get some ideas for tools that can be used to offset face swelling / facial cysts that for me creep with aromatization.

Typically I’d get those from test only , longer esters. Then if I take 0.5 arimidex it goes away within hours and the face calms down and skin doesn’t break out. This led me to do a EOD AI protocol


My current cycle I’m running test E and primo. Did two weeks of var as well and came off it until I get to finishing of the cycle.

Anyway, I started off with close to equal test primo ratio But found that I’m still getting those sides on the face. And I’ve titrated up my primo and now find myself at 350 test-e and 700 of primo; both administered daily. This seems to keep the skin manageable.

I’ve got Proviron on hand, does Proviron help dry out the face and calm the glands ?

I feel like this was one of the benefits of var, which I don’t want to run for a full primo cycle.

I’m terrified of touching AI now but was considering even 1/4 of arimidex. Seems that primo is doing a good job overall

I like the idea of running e2 higher to help with lipids and other estrogen benefits.

So even at 700 primo i got a bit of swelling yesterday. Almost took AI but opted to take 50 mgs of Proviron instead. It seems to have calmed it. Not sure if I wanna be running Proviron non stop. Heard it’s not hair safe and this is my first primo cycle as well. I want to see if my hair likes primo so if I get shedding I want to k ow which compound is causing it.

TLDR: what drugs /compounds besides a full -blown AI do you run to keep face “calm “ from cystic acne flare ups.


Other stuff I’m currently running:

Crestor 20mg (pre dates AAS use)
Telmisartan 80mg (running it to keep hematocrit at bay , knocked down my BP on cycle from mid 130s/70s to 115/60s

TUDCA (not running orals now but figured continue using it to help clean out post var )

Niacin (to help hdl recover )

Krill oil

Tirzepatide

 

[tuffie]

Dial in diet. Lay off some of those complex carbs/sugars. List your diet/waste size and current weight

And the cyst stuff well, you may need to use smaller ester chain and increase injection frequency. It would help if you can.

So both go hand-in-hand^^

The cycst and face swelling might be from the same problem, your diet and the timing of administration from the exogenous hormones.

 

[Cyp180]

Drinks lots of water daily

 

[laclark89]

Lower dairy intake, eat clean an wash ur pillow case often, dont touch ur face.

 

[TheRingloVale]

Wtf? You answer your own question, but don't want to do it.

I don't see why people are so terrified of AIs. Using an AI doesn't mean you have to completely crush estrogen. Just use enough to keep e2 reasonable without sides.

Exemestane is also gentler on lipids than arimidex so you may want to try that.

 

[y777]

Dial in diet. Lay off some of those complex carbs/sugars. List your diet/waste size and current weight

And the cyst stuff well, you may need to use smaller ester chain and increase injection frequency. It would help if you can.

So both go hand-in-hand^^

The cycst and face swelling might be from the same problem, your diet and the timing of administration from the exogenous hormones.

Thanks a lot. Diet is fairly tight. Running about 1800-2000 calories per day , with 2700 TDEE and logging everything w MacroFactor app

My calories targets were ~1700 but the intake crept up since I started primo (third week now ) 220 g of protein daily and about 150g of
Carbs. App targets 50g of carbs but I just can’t lift as much at all at that level. Most of the carbs are from cottage cheese and rice that I have with my chicken. The only quick carbs are a banana pre workout in early AM and frozen blueberries with one of my shakes.

Shorter esters absolutely work much better for me. my TRT has me on cup but when I did my first cycle this year I stacked prop on top of the TRT cyp with minimal sides from
It. I found the 100mg/ml quite cumbersome and the PIP seemed worse than winstrol oil.

Fast Forward to now and I got some test enanthate , home brewed. Was hoping to get into 2x per week injection schedule together with primo but found that i got sides when I pinned the TE so after a few shots I switched to daily. For both primo and TE. Maybe now that I’m in third week I can re-visit and try semi weekly again

Another thing I want to experiment with is to home brew a TE+TP blend and try that for EOD/3x week.

 

[y777]

Wtf? You answer your own question, but don't want to do it.

I don't see why people are so terrified of AIs. Using an AI doesn't mean you have to completely crush estrogen. Just use enough to keep e2 reasonable without sides.

Exemestane is also gentler on lipids than arimidex so you may want to try that.

Thanks. Didn’t know this about aronasin being gentler on lipids.

I’ve tried to get multiple docs of mine to prescribe it but they don’t want to. All I got was Anastrazole.

I took Proviron 50 mg last night and 25 mg this morning and the face puffyness totally subsided.

 

[jJjburton]

Hi guys

Just wanted to get some ideas for tools that can be used to offset face swelling / facial cysts that for me creep with aromatization.

Typically I’d get those from test only , longer esters. Then if I take 0.5 arimidex it goes away within hours and the face calms down and skin doesn’t break out. This led me to do a EOD AI protocol


My current cycle I’m running test E and primo. Did two weeks of var as well and came off it until I get to finishing of the cycle.

Anyway, I started off with close to equal test primo ratio But found that I’m still getting those sides on the face. And I’ve titrated up my primo and now find myself at 350 test-e and 700 of primo; both administered daily. This seems to keep the skin manageable.

I’ve got Proviron on hand, does Proviron help dry out the face and calm the glands ?

I feel like this was one of the benefits of var, which I don’t want to run for a full primo cycle.

I’m terrified of touching AI now but was considering even 1/4 of arimidex. Seems that primo is doing a good job overall

I like the idea of running e2 higher to help with lipids and other estrogen benefits.

So even at 700 primo i got a bit of swelling yesterday. Almost took AI but opted to take 50 mgs of Proviron instead. It seems to have calmed it. Not sure if I wanna be running Proviron non stop. Heard it’s not hair safe and this is my first primo cycle as well. I want to see if my hair likes primo so if I get shedding I want to k ow which compound is causing it.

TLDR: what drugs /compounds besides a full -blown AI do you run to keep face “calm “ from cystic acne flare ups.


Other stuff I’m currently running:

Crestor 20mg (pre dates AAS use)
Telmisartan 80mg (running it to keep hematocrit at bay , knocked down my BP on cycle from mid 130s/70s to 115/60s

TUDCA (not running orals now but figured continue using it to help clean out post var )

Niacin (to help hdl recover )

Krill oil

Tirzepatide

And use dawn soap!!! Dude litterally i use that on my body now too in 1 of my 2 daily showers, and it clears up all pimples, with some time.

How many times you shower?
Wash your face an extra time too.

It will help a ton.

Also ketozonale shampoo helps a ton with shedding.

And upping pinning frequency,

All these are things that will help, even if just a little it may add up to just be enough.

 

[y777]

Thanks !

I shower three times per day. Once after AM workout. Once after I get home in the afternoon and then once more before bed. I use keto shampoo 2%, face scrub. Typically flawless skin.

The only time when I’ve gotten flare ups , which appear as a deep sty (not sure if I spelled that right ) is when I’ve hoped my test dose or I don’t take AI

This flare up has come while doing daily pin. I think maybe primo takes a while longer to fully saturate the system vs test E because now in my third week of cycle the skin is calming down. Originally I started 400 test, 600 primo, 2 x per week split. Have adjusted to 350 test 700 primo , daily and it’s working quite well. Now with primo ramped up I may try to do 2x per week on both of them. I prefer to do deep IM , 1.5 inches into VG but don’t have the desire in doing it daily lol. Twice a week makes it more worth it. Dailt 100mg primo , even when only 0.5 cc , still leaves too much PIP when using half inch insulin pins, which I’m only willing to do into my delts. If I do deep IM I don’t get as much PIP. This has been my experience when I ran test -P and oil winny on a prior cycle.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Is your gear pharma or UGL? I suspect impurities may also play a role here

 

[Doubleomexican]

What has helped me personally, is daily subq/shallow intramuscular to keep water weight down. Funny, Creatine for me lowers face bloat, so that might help? If not daily, then raising total amount of injections raises free t, and lowers estrogen. I personally get away with 525mg with no AI. Due to Daily shallow muscular

 

[Inspired]

I have the same problem: Primo doesn't stop my face from bloating. I still need an AI if I wanted to shrink my face.

I don't have an explanation for this.