HST...Does it work???

[dolfe1]

thanks

 

[Freddy]

Hey Bob, I was wondering what you do for the final 2 weeks of the program. Do you do the negatives as advised by Bryan? Do you just do 4 weeks of 5's instead? I used to drop the reps down to triples when I did it.

Something else I thought of though..would be to use partial movements instead of negatives. For squats, do partial (quarter) squats. Instead of flat benching, do 2 boards. Do rack overheads instead of military presses. I don't know what you would do for stuff like rows...maybe you would have to just drop the reps down to triples for lifts that don't have a partial variation.

Just some ideas...what do you think?

 

[thick]

i know this wasn't directed towards me but I lift alone and never did negatives. I stayed at 5 reps for 4 weeks. The next time i do hst i thought about going to triples. did u like that? the partials is a really good idea. I think it fits the principles of why negatives r done and could really be good heading into SD

 

[Bob Smith]

Ive never done negatives because Ive always lifted on my own. Most of the time, I have just done 6 weeks. Ive also toyed with more rep ranges, say 15, 12, 8 and 5. Partials could be good, but then you are overloading the muscle with the most weight in its strongest position. I think that could possibly lead to more imbalances.

 

[Bryan Haycock]

Hey Bob, I was wondering what you do for the final 2 weeks of the program. Do you do the negatives as advised by Bryan? Do you just do 4 weeks of 5's instead? I used to drop the reps down to triples when I did it.

Something else I thought of though..would be to use partial movements instead of negatives. For squats, do partial (quarter) squats. Instead of flat benching, do 2 boards. Do rack overheads instead of military presses. I don't know what you would do for stuff like rows...maybe you would have to just drop the reps down to triples for lifts that don't have a partial variation.

Just some ideas...what do you think?

Hi Freddy,

If you can't do negatives, I would suggest you stay at around your 5RM, but increase the volume. Sometimes this means you will need to drop an exercise or two on order to do more sets of more important movements. The easiest way to do this is to use two routines and alternate between them from workout to workout. That way you can still hit the tissue every 48 hours, and use higher volume as well.

Drop sets are highly recommended on your last set of each muscle group during this period.

 

[killiob]

Max-Ot is better than HST. Try Max-OT and you will see great results. I put 35 pounds of muscle in a years time and i had been lifting for 5 years before i started doing max-ot. Before max-ot the most amount of weight i put on in a year was 12 pounds. I was eating like a mad man too. Go to Ast-ss.com click on max-ot. Its free.

good luck bro

 

[Bob Smith]

Hey dude, have you ever even tried HST?

There are many workout plans that do work, so there really isnt a point is getting into a pissing match about what is better, blah blah blah.

 

[killiob]

Hey dude, have you ever even tried HST?

There are many workout plans that do work, so there really isnt a point is getting into a pissing match about what is better, blah blah blah.

Yes i have, but i am not putting down HST. Your right, there are many workouts that work out there but to what degree. I rather not waste my time on something that works alright, I rather do something that puts mass on as quick as possible. Although, not all workouts work the same for everybody, so your right there is no need to get in a "pissing match about what is better".

later bro

 

[Freddy]

I'll start this off saying that I'm a competitive powerlifter, and I haven't done HST in more than a year (back when I was still somewhat interested in BBing stuff).

Now, as far as gaining weight is concerned, it can only happen so fast. This is going to vary from person to person, but individuals are limited in how quickly they put on weight.

I've talked to JS about this, and considering he is directly training exactly 70 athletes at the moment, he is better able to comment on this than most people in the world. No matter how good a program, you simple can only gain weight so fast.

Now, in this regard, I think HST works just as well for gaining weight than any other popular program out there, that hasn't been SPECIFICALLY tallored to the individual. Admittedly, its not an ideal program for strength training, but Bryan never said it was, either. But thats a whole 'nuther thread.

I've done a lot of great programs in my training. Programs that have been proven to work by literally hundreds, if not thousands of athletes. These include:

-The Super Squats program (which is getting close to being 100 years old and still valid)

-the 5x5 program (which has, in one incarnation or another, developed hundreds of incredible athletes)

-Westside Barbell (Responcible for countless elite powerlifters, and has been at least partially implemented into the training of the 2 time SuperBowl champions the New England Patriots )

And of course, HST.

Now, all these programs have VERY different goals. However, one thing they have in common is that they have worked for a lot of people, because they're good programs. And I'd like to think that I know a good program when I use one.

On HST I gained weight while getting noticeably leaner, at least as quickly as any other program, but in actuality a little quicker than the others.

My point in posting this isn't to put down Killiob, and I agree that different programs work better or worse for different people.

My point is that in science and in practice HST is at least as good as other programs out there for building muscle.

 

[thick]

good post freddy. It gets really old hearing this is the best or that sucks try this. Also, nice to see bryan posting over here. That is a good idea on the final 2 weeks of lifting alone. Next time I do HST i will give it a shot

I'll start this off saying that I'm a competitive powerlifter, and I haven't done HST in more than a year (back when I was still somewhat interested in BBing stuff).

Now, as far as gaining weight is concerned, it can only happen so fast. This is going to vary from person to person, but individuals are limited in how quickly they put on weight.

I've talked to JS about this, and considering he is directly training exactly 70 athletes at the moment, he is better able to comment on this than most people in the world. No matter how good a program, you simple can only gain weight so fast.

Now, in this regard, I think HST works just as well for gaining weight than any other popular program out there, that hasn't been SPECIFICALLY tallored to the individual. Admittedly, its not an ideal program for strength training, but Bryan never said it was, either. But thats a whole 'nuther thread.

I've done a lot of great programs in my training. Programs that have been proven to work by literally hundreds, if not thousands of athletes. These include:

-The Super Squats program (which is getting close to being 100 years old and still valid)

-the 5x5 program (which has, in one incarnation or another, developed hundreds of incredible athletes)

-Westside Barbell (Responcible for countless elite powerlifters, and has been at least partially implemented into the training of the 2 time SuperBowl champions the New England Patriots )

And of course, HST.

Now, all these programs have VERY different goals. However, one thing they have in common is that they have worked for a lot of people, because they're good programs. And I'd like to think that I know a good program when I use one.

On HST I gained weight while getting noticeably leaner, at least as quickly as any other program, but in actuality a little quicker than the others.

My point in posting this isn't to put down Killiob, and I agree that different programs work better or worse for different people.

My point is that in science and in practice HST is at least as good as other programs out there for building muscle.