I think masteron broke me?

[th14]

I tried to add low dose mast e to my self-trt (which was going alright in the gym/libido department) a month and a half ago because I'd read good things about it and after a day of super intense libido and boners my sex drive completely crashed and has yet to recover in even the slightest. Since then I've had what looks like both some fat gain and muscle wastage as I look and feel softer yet pants that were becoming too tight before trying masteron are now looser fitting. My face looks chubbier/less defined now and I've been struggling to control gyno/sensitive nips. I've also been getting bad muscle aches and pains after working out, and lingering muscle strains which were feeling better after having started the self trt have started flairing up again.

I've tried gradually increasing ai dose from none to rediculous amounts and not at any point have I regained the libido, energy and overall better feeling I had before. I assumed it was underdosed or something but my levels came back decent at around 800 (300-1100), shbg was normal and not low or high like I was expecting at 28nmol/L (10-70). E2 was crashed which is to be expected since I've been taking pretty high doses of AI (still have sore nips, progressing gyno and get gnarly acne after injections tho??) but I'm certain e2 isn't the cause since I'd gradually upped the ai dose from nothing and the dead libido didnt budge. It feels like my body is not responding to androgens at all now..

It was only one injection of 50mg mast, wtf could have happened?

 

[fastasf]

Likely not masteron.

 

[TheBeat]

You did one shot of 50mg a month and a half ago?

 

[Big_paul]

Likely not masteron.

It may not be. I never had an issue with mast. How much test are you running?

 

[Pinner]

I tried to add low dose mast e to my self-trt (which was going alright in the gym/libido department) a month and a half ago because I'd read good things about it and after a day of super intense libido and boners my sex drive completely crashed and has yet to recover in even the slightest. Since then I've had what looks like both some fat gain and muscle wastage as I look and feel softer yet pants that were becoming too tight before trying masteron are now looser fitting. My face looks chubbier/less defined now and I've been struggling to control gyno/sensitive nips. I've also been getting bad muscle aches and pains after working out, and lingering muscle strains which were feeling better after having started the self trt have started flairing up again.

I've tried gradually increasing ai dose from none to rediculous amounts and not at any point have I regained the libido, energy and overall better feeling I had before. I assumed it was underdosed or something but my levels came back decent at around 800 (300-1100), shbg was normal and not low or high like I was expecting at 28nmol/L (10-70). E2 was crashed which is to be expected since I've been taking pretty high doses of AI (still have sore nips, progressing gyno and get gnarly acne after injections tho??) but I'm certain e2 isn't the cause since I'd gradually upped the ai dose from nothing and the dead libido didnt budge. It feels like my body is not responding to androgens at all now..

It was only one injection of 50mg mast, wtf could have happened?

E2 is crashed yet you blame Mast??
No boners, getting soft - it's your E2 dude.

 

[th14]

It may not be. I never had an issue with mast. How much test are you running?

50mg twice per week, I saw another post on here from a few years back where someone added mast and had the same reaction: raging libido for a day or so then gone with high e2 sides afterwoods. That and the timing makes me think masteron.

E2 is crashed yet you blame Mast??
No boners, getting soft - it's your E2 dude.

I stated in the post why I don't believe it's because of e2, if it was low e2 from the start why did i develop gyno and experience the side effects I mentioned in the first paragraph? Even now I still have sore nips and the gyno only seems to be getting worse, I also feel almost exactly the same as when I wasn't using an AI at all. It's only in the past week or two that I'd been going hard with the AIs because of the nips. Also I should have clarified on this but it's desire/libido/sex drive that's completely disappeared, I've still had boners here and there but obvs alot less than before.

 

[Roger rabbit]

50mg twice per week, I saw another post on here from a few years back where someone added mast and had the same reaction: raging libido for a day or so then gone with high e2 sides afterwoods. That and the timing makes me think masteron.



I stated in the post why I don't believe it's because of e2, if it was low e2 from the start why did i develop gyno and experience the side effects I mentioned in the first paragraph? Even now I still have sore nips and the gyno only seems to be getting worse, I also feel almost exactly the same as when I wasn't using an AI at all. It's only in the past week or two that I'd been going hard with the AIs because of the nips. Also I should have clarified on this but it's desire/libido/sex drive that's completely disappeared, I've still had boners here and there but obvs alot less than before.

Crashing your e2 will cause all the symptoms you describe my man.

Did you get post trt bloods? This would be of importance right now so you could bring your e2 up to normal.

Stop taking the ai, take a extra shot of test to increase aromatization to raise your e2.

Crashing your e2 is just as bad if not worse than a super elevetates e2.

Also masterone decrees your e2 levels so you should have stopped taking your. Ai if you started taking mast. ( at least on the little bit of test you are taking)

But seriously you need to raise that e2 and you will see your problem go away.

 

[Bigunitny]

If you took too much aromasin u cant do shit except wait until e2 comes back take an extra shot of t wont do shit as it wont aromatize due to ur Aromasin


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[heady muscle]

It's not the masteron. "
Masteron, the most recognized trade name for drostanolone propionate, is an injectable anabolic steroid derived from dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Here, the DHT backbone has been modified with a 2-methyl group to increase its anabolic properties, making this agent significantly more effective at promoting the growth of muscle tissue than its non-methylated parent. Drostanolone propionate is described in product literature as a “steroid with powerful anabolic and anti-estrogenic properties,” and indeed does seem to share some of both properties. Admittedly, however, its anabolic properties are more properly described as moderate, especially when placed in the context of other agents. The drug is most often used by dieting bodybuilders and athletes in speed sports, where it is highly favored for its ability to produce solid increases in lean muscle mass and strength, which are usually accompanied by reductions in body fat level and minimal side effects."

 

[th14]

Crashing your e2 will cause all the symptoms you describe my man.

Did you get post trt bloods? This would be of importance right now so you could bring your e2 up to normal.

Stop taking the ai, take a extra shot of test to increase aromatization to raise your e2.

Crashing your e2 is just as bad if not worse than a super elevetates e2.

Also masterone decrees your e2 levels so you should have stopped taking your. Ai if you started taking mast. ( at least on the little bit of test you are taking)

But seriously you need to raise that e2 and you will see your problem go away.

So you're saying that despite the fact that I wasn't using an ai at the time the problems started and have since developed gyno, that this is entirely a low e2 problem??

 

[Bigunitny]

Masteron doesnt act as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) nor does it lower e2. It changes the androgen/estrogen ratio which can help in gyno prevention. It should in no way impact your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage nor should it be used in place of or as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in my opinion.


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[Bigunitny]

Itchy nipples tits . = nolvadex to fix . Low e2 u must take larger intervals between ai dosing


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[Roger rabbit]

Masteron doesnt act as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) nor does it lower e2. It changes the androgen/estrogen ratio which can help in gyno prevention. It should in no way impact your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage nor should it be used in place of or as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in my opinion.


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You are fucking dangerous you fucking retard. Stop giving advice.

You know what the arimex half life is?

Taking a larger dose of of test will aromatize and raise the levels of e2.
I never said said arimedex then shoot large. Did i? Use your fucking brain!

Also masteron does help control e2 you fucking moron. Will it at 200mg a week? No, not really but go ahead and get yourself some at 400-700 a week and it will.

You are the same guy who probably doesn't get pre, mid and post bloods and wants to hop on here and try to give advice.

And did I say at anytime that masterone should replace the ai? No I didn't.

Last but not least you shouldn't take a ai until you know for a fact you need it and that would be done with a blood test. Why? Because it fucks with your cholesterol etc.

 

[Roger rabbit]

So you're saying that despite the fact that I wasn't using an ai at the time the problems started and have since developed gyno, that this is entirely a low e2 problem??

Yes! This can enlarge male tissue man. Your body needs a balance of both testosterone and estrogen. That's why you get PRE, MID AND POST blood work done.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Itchy nipples tits . = nolvadex to fix . Low e2 u must take larger intervals between ai dosing


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So crashed e2 and you suggest nolva which binds to estrogen. You tell this guy to use nolva after he crashes his e2 and has non. Solid advice pro. NOT.

Do not listen to this. Do not take more ai till you figure out where your estrogen is at with blood work. You need to figure out what your body is doing and then make a decision of going to a doctor to help you fix your mistake or figuring it out on your own. Either way, more ai is not the solution lmao

 

[legendary]

Listen to @Roger rabbit sounds like crashed e2. Some trt people replace ai with masterone.

 

[KeithO]

A lot of guys on TRT add mast because it's pretty gentle and doesn't aromatize. Us older guys aren't looking for huge gains and just want a little bump in size and appearance. So low dose mast + TRT can be great. Here is what most do when adding mast to TRT, they increase their T from say 120mg/week to 200mg/week. Add 200mg of mast and leave their AI where it is. Of course this only works if your E2 is already dialed in. The mast actually reduces the need for as much AI as you usually take so that's why you can increase your T without increasing your AI. Most guys get a big bump in libido for the entire 10 weeks on mast. You crashed your E2.

 

[Bigunitny]

Hows he going to fix the lumps under his tits . CBD oil


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[Bigunitny]

He has gyno how do u suppose he shrink the glands ?


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[th14]

Yes! This can enlarge male tissue man. Your body needs a balance of both testosterone and estrogen. That's why you get PRE, MID AND POST blood work done.

Wait you're saying that crashed e2 actually can cause an increase in breast tissue? I thought it was generally accepted that gyno is caused by a low androgen:estrogen ratio, not a high one, hence the use of letro by some people to stop/reverse gyno. I've never read anywhere that low e2 can cause gyno.

Either way there was no Ai at the time masteron was introduced and this was when my libido crashed, hence my thinking that masteron caused this rather than a change in e2. Unless of course the addition of masteron alone would be enough to crash my e2...