I want to start blasting and cruising, advice and opinions appreciated

[Bodybuilder26]

I'm 26 years old and have been lifting since I was 14, I have gotten more serious and knowledgeable about training over the years and built a really good base naturally. I have never used PED's before but I have been doing research over the last few years and tbh the gym is a major portion in my life and I want to take things to the next level. I understand there is a life beside bodybuilding and the gym but this is what I have now beside work and school. I'm currently going into the health care field so I understand the pros and cons that come with the use of PED's. Now as for my personal life, I understand what could happen if I ever wanted to have children in the future so I'm at an age where most people know if they want kids or not and I just think children are not for me.

Reasons I want to start using PED is I love training hard and long haha, I'm a big fan of high volume training, I also want to start seeing new results and break barriers.
I'm 5 foot 7-8 inches
I weight about 200 right now, most I have been was 220
BF I would estimate is around 15%
I have been approached by lots of people asking me if I'm on gear and I take it as a compliment...anyways...

Lets move on with what I want to do... I want to start slow, low and easy.
500 mg test E when blasting (250 mg to cruise) correct me on this and advice me differently if you want to. I will eventually increase the dose to 750 mg or maybe keep it at 500 mg and add other compounds.
I'm also looking to add proviron to decrease sex hormone binding globulin and increase aggression ----> (to lift heavier) and sex drive.
I will be adding other compounds such as NPP, primo, and EQ later on...not looking to mess with tren or any orals that are hepatotoxic.
I will be using accutane since I'm acne prone, don't care about hair since I'm already thinning out. Never had Gyno as a teenager but I will get an AI to avoid that. I plan on doing blood work before to see where things are and half way as well to see how things will go.

opinions and advice welcome...

 

[Eman]

What is your natural testosterone level?

not looking to mess with tren or any orals that are hepatotoxic.
I will be using accutane since I'm acne prone

These are pretty conflicting sentences.

 

[DonaldPump123]

200lbs at 15%bf, 250 test could be a cycle not a cruise. In hindsight, I would have started with that instead of the 500mg parroted by everyone as a first cycle

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I'm 26 years old and have been lifting since I was 14, I have gotten more serious and knowledgeable about training over the years and built a really good base naturally. I have never used PED's before but I have been doing research over the last few years and tbh the gym is a major portion in my life and I want to take things to the next level. I understand there is a life beside bodybuilding and the gym but this is what I have now beside work and school. I'm currently going into the health care field so I understand the pros and cons that come with the use of PED's. Now as for my personal life, I understand what could happen if I ever wanted to have children in the future so I'm at an age where most people know if they want kids or not and I just think children are not for me.

Reasons I want to start using PED is I love training hard and long haha, I'm a big fan of high volume training, I also want to start seeing new results and break barriers.
I'm 5 foot 7-8 inches
I weight about 200 right now, most I have been was 220
BF I would estimate is around 15%
I have been approached by lots of people asking me if I'm on gear and I take it as a compliment...anyways...

Lets move on with what I want to do... I want to start slow, low and easy.
500 mg test E when blasting (250 mg to cruise) correct me on this and advice me differently if you want to. I will eventually increase the dose to 750 mg or maybe keep it at 500 mg and add other compounds.
I'm also looking to add proviron to decrease sex hormone binding globulin and increase aggression ----> (to lift heavier) and sex drive.
I will be adding other compounds such as NPP, primo, and EQ later on...not looking to mess with tren or any orals that are hepatotoxic.
I will be using accutane since I'm acne prone, don't care about hair since I'm already thinning out. Never had Gyno as a teenager but I will get an AI to avoid that. I plan on doing blood work before to see where things are and half way as well to see how things will go.

opinions and advice welcome...

Whoa
You seem like a pretty decent guy.

BUT
Starting Blast and Cruise on a whim is not the best of plans.

Injust started Blasting and cruising in my 30s.
Not so much because I wanted to get swole faster (Although, its great)
But because I dont produce enough Test naturally and I feel like garbage when I dint have a little bit of T in my body.

Maybe before committing to a lifetime of injections...
Try a cycle
See how well it fits you.

PCT properly, check your bloods BEFORE, During.. then after PCT.

At your size, you're a pretty solid guy, you might have decent natural Test levels.

Let me tell you my friend, if I had great natural Test, I wouldnt be pinning 2x a week for the rest of my life.
(I'd still cycle...wont lie to you there lmao)

EDIT
IMHO
You're a bit too young.. but I wont judge or hate on you,
That's your call... I wint talk any smack at the choices you make bro... but I figured I'd at least chime that in

 

[Bodybuilder26]

What is your natural testosterone level?

I haven't gotten any blood work done yet.

These are pretty conflicting sentences.

I understand, I've done research and I don't need tren, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder, it's my first cycle, I don't need all the insomnia, tren cough, etc that come with it. However, I did accutane when I was a teenager and it helped clear some acne but I still have acne scars and some cystic acne here and there. accutane is necessary, tren isn't at the moment if you know where I'm going with this.

 

[Bodybuilder26]

Whoa
You seem like a pretty decent guy.

BUT
Starting Blast and Cruise on a whim is not the best of plans.

Injust started Blasting and cruising in my 30s.
Not so much because I wanted to get swole faster (Although, its great)
But because I dont produce enough Test naturally and I feel like garbage when I dint have a little bit of T in my body.

Maybe before committing to a lifetime of injections...
Try a cycle
See how well it fits you.

PCT properly, check your bloods BEFORE, During.. then after PCT.

At your size, you're a pretty solid guy, you might have decent natural Test levels.

Let me tell you my friend, if I had great natural Test, I wouldnt be pinning 2x a week for the rest of my life.
(I'd still cycle...wont lie to you there lmao)

EDIT
IMHO
You're a bit too young.. but I wont judge or hate on you,
That's your call... I wint talk any smack at the choices you make bro... but I figured I'd at least chime that in

Yeah we shall see when I get blood work done, but I will bet you it will be low, I've checked it before when I was 22 and it was low and I was around 200 pounds. I would consider myself a mesomorph tbh, I have naturally big forearms, big legs, especially calves. I will upload some pics on this thread later. I have pretty big size everywhere except I would say my chest which lacks but that is where genetics come into play.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Yeah we shall see when I get blood work done, but I will bet you it will be low, I've checked it before when I was 22 and it was low and I was around 200 pounds. I would consider myself a mesomorph tbh, I have naturally big forearms, big legs, especially calves. I will upload some pics on this thread later. I have pretty big size everywhere except I would say my chest which lacks but that is where genetics come into play.

Could be low.
I dont know you enough to really make that call.
It's just something you will want for reference.

If its decently high, (Which TBH I suspect it is)
Then make an update to your decision based off that.
Fair?

 

[Eman]

I understand, I've done research and I don't need tren, I'm not a competitive bodybuilder, it's my first cycle, I don't need all the insomnia, tren cough, etc that come with it. However, I did accutane when I was a teenager and it helped clear some acne but I still have acne scars and some cystic acne here and there. accutane is necessary, tren isn't at the moment if you know where I'm going with this.

I'm only kind of messing with you a little bit there... Accutane is hard on the liver.

In addition, never say, "I'm not going to do X." In my experience, and this goes beyond PEDs, every time a person says they're going to do one thing but they would never go further than that, it's rarely true. It's human nature... Every time you draw a line in the sand, and think you're going to go only right up to that line but never past it, you'll very likely decide to move that line just a little. That's all it takes. Then, you'll move back up to that line... And decide you know more now than you did before, so you move the line a little further. This continues until the line no longer exists at all.

Yeah we shall see when I get blood work done, but I will bet you it will be low

There's a study somewhere that basically said that most men guess they're low regardless of their actual level. Actually, men are notoriously bad at guessing where they're at with their levels even on TRT.

Anyways, my best advice is to just start with a cycle and come off and see how you do. Unless you're working with absolutely clinically low test levels and you are definitely experiencing symptoms, I strongly suggest avoiding blast and cruise for as long as humanly possible. This is coming from someone that has been blasting and cruising for years now. It is not what it's cracked up to be at all... The idea of it is romanticized.

 

[Bodybuilder26]

I'm only kind of messing with you a little bit there... Accutane is hard on the liver.

In addition, never say, "I'm not going to do X." In my experience, and this goes beyond PEDs, every time a person says they're going to do one thing but they would never go further than that, it's rarely true. It's human nature... Every time you draw a line in the sand, and think you're going to go only right up to that line but never past it, you'll very likely decide to move that line just a little. That's all it takes. Then, you'll move back up to that line... And decide you know more now than you did before, so you move the line a little further. This continues until the line no longer exists at all.



There's a study somewhere that basically said that most men guess they're low regardless of their actual level. Actually, men are notoriously bad at guessing where they're at with their levels even on TRT.

Anyways, my best advice is to just start with a cycle and come off and see how you do. Unless you're working with absolutely clinically low test levels and you are definitely experiencing symptoms, I strongly suggest avoiding blast and cruise for as long as humanly possible. This is coming from someone that has been blasting and cruising for years now. It is not what it's cracked up to be at all... The idea of it is romanticized.

I have always wanted to try a cycle or several cycles if I like it which I probably will like it because AAS + GYM = HAPPINESS. anyways I will run a TEST E cycle only with proviron, AI and a PCT and see what happens. thx!

 

[CrispyRockClimber]

I say stick to cycling till your 27-28 but if your getting test levels back below 500 and this is your passion then go for it sooner. Get frequent blood tests!
It’s your life man do what you want.

 

[Bodybuilder26]

I say stick to cycling till your 27-28 but if your getting test levels back below 500 and this is your passion then go for it sooner. Get frequent blood tests!
It’s your life man do what you want.

I know this might be irrevelant but when I got my first blood work at 22 my test was 431 ng/dl and lab range was 400-1100 and my doctor said you're fine lol, I will def get need blood now and see where I'm at and I will report back but I can tell you I'm low, probably below the range now.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I know this might be irrevelant but when I got my first blood work at 22 my test was 431 ng/dl and lab range was 400-1100 and my doctor said you're fine lol, I will def get need blood now and see where I'm at and I will report back but I can tell you I'm low, probably below the range now.

"Low" is a relative term.

I feel fine around 400 and can build muscle/feel good with good libido.

Others see the signs of Low Testosterone at 500+

It's a very individual thing.

I only started on Blast and cruise when I had been at 200ish and could not recover.

You're obviously in good shape being a natural lifter.

Dont jump thr gun brother, you just may not need it

 

[Btcowboy]

"Low" is a relative term.

I feel fine around 400 and can build muscle/feel good with good libido.

Others see the signs of Low Testosterone at 500+

It's a very individual thing.

I only started on Blast and cruise when I had been at 200ish and could not recover.

You're obviously in good shape being a natural lifter.

Dont jump thr gun brother, you just may not need it

I was 213 when I got tested.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I was 213 when I got tested.

Yeah, that's a shitty place to be.

Depression,
Low libido
Fat gain
Not building muscle.

Tried, that's when I decided... this is the life for me, I'd rather pin for the rest of my life than feel like shit everyday lol.

Qaulity of life is very important

 

[Bodybuilder26]

"Low" is a relative term.

I feel fine around 400 and can build muscle/feel good with good libido.

Others see the signs of Low Testosterone at 500+

It's a very individual thing.

I only started on Blast and cruise when I had been at 200ish and could not recover.

You're obviously in good shape being a natural lifter.

Dont jump thr gun brother, you just may not need it

anyways I think it is time to get some blood work done and see how things are going, where do you guys get your blood work done? I don't have insurance atm and my doctor doesn't know the prices so usually I get a bill after its done which wasn't too bad but I want to test more than just T levels and Free T. what do you guys use here? and what kind of test should I get? female panel blood test?? thx!

 

[Silentlemon1011]

anyways I think it is time to get some blood work done and see how things are going, where do you guys get your blood work done? I don't have insurance atm and my doctor doesn't know the prices so usually I get a bill after its done which wasn't too bad but I want to test more than just T levels and Free T. what do you guys use here? and what kind of test should I get? female panel blood test?? thx!

I have an endocrinologist.
Typically where I draw bloods.

Free T
T
SHBG
E2
Maybe throw in LH/FSH... of you do have low test, this will help tell you why.

May as well check T4 and T3 while you're at it, never know.

You could expand that drastically to find some more stuff out.

I would suggest...
Lipid panel (Cycles crush lipids, make sure youre healthy)
Hematology panel.
Liver
Inflammation (C reactive protein at a minimum)

Having low T is one thing.
Staying healthy in this life style is equally important as just taking gear

 

[Jstone2]

Your a little young, and this comes from experience. I started the B&C lifestlye at 28, and i would have waited if it werent for having low t. At 28 my total test was around 180, and free t was single digits.

I tried restarts, and everything i could before committing to being on the needle my whole life. I still have gone through phases where i didnt pin and felt like shit. There is a chance you could get by with cycles for a few years, and recover allowing you to grow while not being dependent upon testosterone for life. Whatever you do just be as educated as you can before starting.

There is a lot to maintaining the lifestyle. Always making sure you have products on hand, getting your bloodwork done, spending time keeping up with where to obtain the products you need. This is a very time consuming lifestyle, not only the time in the gym, but all the time outside of the gym. If you counted the hours spent to maintain this lifestyle its crazy.

 

[Bodybuilder26]

Your a little young, and this comes from experience. I started the B&C lifestlye at 28, and i would have waited if it werent for having low t. At 28 my total test was around 180, and free t was single digits.

I tried restarts, and everything i could before committing to being on the needle my whole life. I still have gone through phases where i didnt pin and felt like shit. There is a chance you could get by with cycles for a few years, and recover allowing you to grow while not being dependent upon testosterone for life. Whatever you do just be as educated as you can before starting.

There is a lot to maintaining the lifestyle. Always making sure you have products on hand, getting your bloodwork done, spending time keeping up with where to obtain the products you need. This is a very time consuming lifestyle, not only the time in the gym, but all the time outside of the gym. If you counted the hours spent to maintain this lifestyle its crazy.

Yeah I understand, health comes first, I work in the medical field so I know what I have to do and I'm aware of the pros and cons. I have been thinking about gear for years and I have done research. My plan is to get blood work and see where my levels are and then do my first cycle if they are normal or maybe B & C if they are below what is considered normal. I do understand that the choice is mine at the end.

thx!