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Texas.Redneck

Texas.Redneck

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Just kidding about the totally different thing. I'm doing a basic beginner testosterone only cycle (10 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week). I figured I had to grab ya'lls attention because who really wants to read another newbies lame ass cycle post (that's some boring sh**)? I have done my research and I do have a more exciting second cycle lined up for the fall or next spring if this goes well. I have one question below about using Nolva for estrogen control if some of the Vets wouldn't mind chiming in....

Stats:
age: 36
weight: 190
I attached a couple pics below (I like to think my workout and diet are on point)

I haven't maxed out in a while but here are some general stats so you can make a good estimate. I take it easy on my body so if I had to guess the below numbers are all only maybe 95% of a true max:

On 5/1/2016
Snatches 3x205lbs
Two cleans + 1jerk w/225lbs

Squat over 300lbs
Deadlift over 325lbs
Bench - haven't benched in a while
Dead hang pullups 10-15 reps

My cycle plan:
*10 weeks of 500mg Test Enanthate per week
*1-2.5mg of Nolva every day for estrogen control
*1mg of finasteride so I don't go bald
*rogaine twice a day on scalp
*Clomid for PCT

Questions:
1. I have Anastrozle on hand but the sh** was hella expensive and I don't want to waste it on this cycle. From what I've read this 500mg of Test is a pretty low dose for a 37 year old man and most men don't even need to run estrogen control. The cycle I have lined up that I want to save my Anastrozle for is 600mg Test/600mg EQ per week for 13 weeks. I figure that is when I need to break out the freaking Gold of Estrogen blockers (it really was hella expensive shit). So on this cycle I'm going the cheap route and just using Nolva for estrogen control.

So now to my question, I'm just not sure about the Nolva dosages. Several sites say just pop the 10mg pill of Nolva a day and John Doe bodybuilder says don't even need estrogen control for a 10 week newbie cycle of Test. My buddy says 10mg of nolva a day is way too much and I won't get any gains. He says to crush the 10mg pills and take approximately 1mg per day. I just haven't been able to find a verifiable internet resource that says this. However, my buddy hasn't been wrong about anything yet so unless some veteran on this website strongly disagrees I'll go with this 1mg/day nolva plan on cycle for estrogen control

2. I also have some winstrol I could throw in the last half of the cycle but I'm prone to male pattern baldness so I'm thinking that it is not even worth the risk even though I am still tempted....

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The adex is more expensive but that's part of running gear. Using nolva for the duration of cycle is outdated in most aspects. Nolva is a serm, only blocking estrogen at certain receptors. Arimidex is an AI, preventing the conversion of testosterone to estrogen by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme. It is better to generally prevent this conversion and prevent high amounts of estrogen from circulating in your body than simply blocking them at the receptor. I'm no doctor or expert, so one of the more educated members may go into more specifics, but this is the general understanding I have of this subject.
 
Dw725 said:
The adex is more expensive but that's part of running gear. Using nolva for the duration of cycle is outdated in most aspects. .... I'm no doctor or expert, so one of the more educated members may go into more specifics, but this is the general understanding I have of this subject.
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So you gave about the most basic textbook answer you could have given....lol. I appreciate it but I already read that on tons of different sites but it wasn't really the gist of my question. Like you said, using nolva for the duration of cycle is outdated but apparently worked for years and years before they came out with Arimidex and Aromisin. So back to my point, I'm doing the most basic of basics beginner testosterone cycle of 500mg/week for 10 weeks. Do you truly believe I'm going to have severe life altering gyno effects from this cycle if I do Nolva to control estrogen instead of an AI?
 
Texas.Redneck said:
So you gave about the most basic textbook answer you could have given....lol. I appreciate it but I already read that on tons of different sites but it wasn't really the gist of my question. Like you said, using nolva for the duration of cycle is outdated but apparently worked for years and years before they came out with Arimidex and Aromisin. So back to my point, I'm doing the most basic of basics beginner testosterone cycle of 500mg/week for 10 weeks. Do you truly believe I'm going to have severe life altering gyno effects from this cycle if I do Nolva to control estrogen instead of an AI?
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Probably not but the dose of nolva you recommended isn't enough as far as I know. Evey person is different when it comes to aromatization, and there is a reason my answer is what u call "text book". If your going to run the nolva instead of what anyone else would recommend just BC youre fucking cheap then maybe you should reconsider using anabolic steroids? Is saving money worth it?
 
With a dose that low you probably won't need an ai. I wouldn't use any unless symptoms present themselves. You should have no problem with 500mg of test
 
Also, you won't go bald off that low of a dose either bro. I would say just use nizoral. Also, propecia if you use it you must continue to use it or you will lose all hair that was grown and or kept
 
Beastmoderock said:
With a dose that low you probably won't need an ai. I wouldn't use any unless symptoms present themselves. You should have no problem with 500mg of test
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This is not always the case! Go into the lab testing section and have a look at the many results of guys running 500-600 mgs weekly testosterone and estradiol elevated into the mid 100's and higher! You think having 3 times the high end of reference range is inconsequential? Some of you should spend less time reading the Joe blow bro science and look at the emperical evidence and studies you can find right here in the forums! Op has already pinned and is afraid of infection. He shoots down sound advice. I doubt he had any precycle blood work. I'd love to be proven wrong but I'm starting to feel he isn't as prepared and informed as he thinks!
 
Dw725 said:
If your going to run the nolva instead of what anyone else would recommend just BC youre fucking cheap then maybe you should reconsider using anabolic steroids? Is saving money worth it?
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Hey, you don't have to be mean about it. I said thanks for advice and I know you are giving me the most conservative advice out there. There's a difference between being "cheap" and simply being economical and smart about your money. I'm not just going to flush money down the toilet doing overkill estrogen blockers and PCT drugs that my body doesn't even need on a cycle that is as simple as this.

Like I said, I have another cycle lined up that is 600mg Test E and 600mg EQ for 13 weeks. That is when I plan to break out the Anastrozle.

Also, I read in lots of places to not mess with AI's until you become symptomatic for gyno. I don't know about waiting until my tits itch. I think I'd like to be more conservative than that...
 
Dw725 said:
Op has already pinned and is afraid of infection. He shoots down sound advice. I doubt he had any precycle blood work. I'd love to be proven wrong but I'm starting to feel he isn't as prepared and informed as he thinks!
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Dude chill out. lol. Your getting seriously worked up over this...I had precycle bloodwork done. I didn't get a full screen probably as comprehensive as you would recommend. I just got some basic Testosterone bloodwork and my Testosterone was 517 and Sex Horm Bind Globulin was 49. I just got that done so I'd know what my normal testosterone level was so I can have it checked again post PCT. I have a doctor that is familiar with all these drugs that I can see for any complications and I'll be using for my post cycle bloodwork.
 
Texas.Redneck said:
Hey, you don't have to be mean about it. I said thanks for advice and I know you are giving me the most conservative advice out there. There's a difference between being "cheap" and simply being economical and smart about your money. I'm not just going to flush money down the toilet doing overkill estrogen blockers and PCT drugs that my body doesn't even need on a cycle that is as simple as this.

Like I said, I have another cycle lined up that is 600mg Test E and 600mg EQ for 13 weeks. That is when I plan to break out the Anastrozle.

Also, I read in lots of places to not mess with AI's until you become symptomatic for gyno. I don't know about waiting until my tits itch. I think I'd like to be more conservative than that...
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I'm not being mean. This is meso Rx, not your safe space. Judging by your other thread you should be learning that here you're going to get told what you NEED to hear not what u want to hear, whether u like it or not. It may come across as harsh but the good members here will look out for you like no other and steer you in the right direction.
 
Dw725 said:
IThis is meso Rx, not your safe space. Judging by your other thread you should be learning that here you're going to get told what you NEED to hear not what u want to hear, whether u like it or not.
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noted. I just want an honest deep down in your heart, do you REALLY think I'm going to get totally fucked up not doing AI on this cycle and just doing say 2.5mg of nolva a day (that would be the dose if i quartered the 10mg pills)? I have the anastrozle if that is really what you are dying for me to use so i don't get bitch tits...
 
From my personal experience Texas.redneck, I never experienced sore nips or puffy nips. It's always good to have an ai on hand in case you are prone to gyno. You are doing test e at low doses you shouldn't experience many sides. A lot of people I know got gyno at low doses when they used sustanon and pinned only once a week. But, that's just my experiences I have witnessed and done.

Hope all goes well
 
Texas.Redneck said:
noted. I just want an honest deep down in your heart, do you REALLY think I'm going to get totally fucked up not doing AI on this cycle and just doing say 2.5mg of nolva a day (that would be the dose if i quartered the 10mg pills)? I have the anastrozle if that is really what you are dying for me to use so i don't get bitch tits...
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Read my post above about lab results. Gynecomastia is not the only thing you're trying to avoid by keeping circulating estrogen within range. You need to do more research.
 
Look. I don't need an AI on 500mg test. I didn't need an AI on 750 test. BUT. You don't know your body. You haven't had pre cycle bloods. And why not take the most cautionary step, at least go ahead and order a panel and schedule it. Mid cycle bloods without an AI, If your AI is out of whack, we told you so.

But. Don't for one second think you'll be okay. You're fucking with something you truly have no idea about except what window locker joe shmoe had to tell you.
 
Let me make this clear. Run your nolva only. When u post mid cycle bloods in 6 weeks with your estro over 150 and high blood pressure, a bloated moon face, and a limp dick that u can't fuck your girl with, I will remind you of this thread. And if your estro isn't high at all, then congrats, you're the one in ten guy who can run 500 mg per week without an aromatizing issue.
 
I guess I didn't realize this whole using Nolva on cycle was such a controversial subject and there would be such strong opinions against it. I should have expected this was going to turn into controversy on an internet forum since this is usually how forums go. This is like an internet forum on steroids....ha! (you see what I did there?)
 
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