Insulin Syringe help

[FiEnD]

Been having trouble with my injections. Yeaterday i had one needle actually break completely off and I didn't realize until I tried pinning and it wouldn't break through the skin.

Today I try pinning and couldn't get it to break the skin. Thought for sure the tip must have broke off but after inspecting it looked normal. Chose a different spot and with a little more force I was able to get it through.

I am pinning in my lower abdomen area sub q. I pinch a chunk of fat and insert.

Fucking needles are 28gx1/2 and should not be giving me this problem.

Anyone run into this issue with insulin needles?

 

[Marcus]

I bend them when they're 30g, 1/2"
Changed to 30g, 5/16" or whatever and haven't had the problem since

 

[FiEnD]

I bend them when they're 30g, 1/2"
Changed to 30g, 5/16" or whatever and haven't had the problem since

You mean they would bend when you would pin? Or when drawing

 

[Sk8man101]

Sometimes if it's a pain to break the skin I switch to a fresh needle that I didn't draw with and it makes a huge difference.
That being said, I use 25g 1 1/4.

Slins didn't work for me.

 

[FiEnD]

Sometimes if it's a pain to break the skin I switch to a fresh needle that I didn't draw with and it makes a huge difference.
That being said, I use 25g 1 1/4.

Slins didn't work for me.

Yeah good point.

I thought about using larger syringe but the amount of substance I'm injecting didn't register on a larger one. And the needles arnt interchangeable.

Maybe I will back load it.

 

[Sk8man101]

As far as using a fresh needle to I think there is some shit online that shows a needle under a microscope with x amount of injections and even after only 1 the needle looks all fucked up and buy like 5 pins of the same needle it's like nasty as fuck, I can't beleive people used them till the break or bend.

 

[FiEnD]

As far as using a fresh needle to I think there is some shit online that shows a needle under a microscope with x amount of injections and even after only 1 the needle looks all fucked up and buy like 5 pins of the same needle it's like nasty as fuck, I can't beleive people used them till the break or bend.

Nasty.

With this substance I have to use the insulin so I have been drawing and pinning with the same needle. Obviously I toss the needles after every use though.

All other substance I use a 3ml larger syringe and do the regular draw with a larger and pin with a slightly smaller needle

 

[Sk8man101]

Yeah good point.

I thought about using larger syringe but the amount of substance I'm injecting didn't register on a larger one. And the needles arnt interchangeable.

Maybe I will back load it.

Syringe or needle?

You can buy luer locks for both 1ml and 3ml.
Pinning with a fresh, 1 inch 25g seems to be the sweet spot for me.

My ideal needle set up right now would probably be a 1ml luer lock with a 21-23g 1 1/2 inch already attached for drawing,
And then a box of 1 1/4 25g to swap out so I can pin with a fresh needle each time.

I used a 29 a couple times and that shit took forever to draw up and forever to inject.

 

[Sk8man101]

Nasty.

With this substance I have to use the insulin so I have been drawing and pinning with the same needle. Obviously I toss the needles after every use though.

All other substance I use a 3ml larger syringe and do the regular draw with a larger and pin with a slightly smaller needle

All sub q for your gear?

 

[FiEnD]

All sub q for your gear?

Nah just this one substance. Everything else is intramuscular

 

[Marcus]

You mean they would bend when you would pin? Or when drawing

Both, if I didn't bend when drawing, I'd bend when pinning. But more so when drawing

 

[Sk8man101]

Both, if I didn't bend when drawing, I'd bend when pinning. But more so when drawing

You still use the slins?
I was using 29 5/16 and I would get pip from hell (user error)
Plus like I said it took like 15-20 minutes to inject.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Yeah good point.

I thought about using larger syringe but the amount of substance I'm injecting didn't register on a larger one. And the needles arnt interchangeable.

Maybe I will back load it.

The slin pins i use have a fixed needle too.
i draw and inject with the same one and i've noticed some are made far sharper than others, out of the same batch.

Back loading would insure the sharpest needle, i just hate to waste gear, as i can never back load mine without having (what looks like a ton of) oil dribble out of the needle.

How the hell did you break the needle off?
Was it from drawing or did you recap it and catch the tip of the needle on the inside of the cap?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Both, if I didn't bend when drawing, I'd bend when pinning. But more so when drawing

i've had quite a few pre-bent needles before.
i'm very careful and deliberate when i uncap, so i know it wasn't my fault.

They aren't horribly bent, just not arrow straight like they should be and it's obvious just by looking at them.

Bent a few pinning as well.
They went in straight but came out bent.
First time that happened was a mind fuck.

 

[Sk8man101]

I wonder if there is a way to test the quality and sharpness of the different brands of needles both fresh and after a single use.

 

[FiEnD]

The slin pins i use have a fixed needle too.
i draw and inject with the same one and i've noticed some are made far sharper than others, out of the same batch.

Back loading would insure the sharpest needle, i just hate to waste gear, as i can never back load mine without having (what looks like a ton of) oil dribble out of the needle.

How the hell did you break the needle off?
Was it from drawing or did you recap it and catch the tip of the needle on the inside of the cap?

I have no idea how I broke it. I had my hands full juggling all my gear so I couldn't exactly stop what I was doing to search for it. Could have possibly came that way idk for sure.

The only thing I could think of was when I inserted the needle into the vial I did it at an extreme angle by accident and it went through the rubber stopper on the inside in a weird spot. Might have hit the glass on the inside. Again not really sure. Crazy.

 

[FiEnD]

You still use the slins?
I was using 29 5/16 and I would get pip from hell (user error)
Plus like I said it took like 15-20 minutes to inject.

Yeah I've got some decent PIP this time myself

 

[Dr JIM]

Been having trouble with my injections. Yeaterday i had one needle actually break completely off and I didn't realize until I tried pinning and it wouldn't break through the skin.

Today I try pinning and couldn't get it to break the skin. Thought for sure the tip must have broke off but after inspecting it looked normal. Chose a different spot and with a little more force I was able to get it through.

I am pinning in my lower abdomen area sub q. I pinch a chunk of fat and insert.

Fucking needles are 28gx1/2 and should not be giving me this problem.

Anyone run into this issue with insulin needles?

This is a VERY common problem with "Slinning"

And why wouldn't it be knowing
the reason most folk Slin to MINIMIZE PAIN

Pain reduction may be achieved by THREE mechanisms, enhanced "sharpness" or a reduction in needle LENGTH or DIAMETER.

Needle DIAMETER reduction can only be achieved by;
- decreasing the bore (or hole) size,

- decreasing the needle (metal portion) thickness

- or a combination of the above

Needle LENGTH Is self explanatory, however it's important to know to ensure adequate stiffness, longer needles require a thinner bore or "hole" size.

Otherwise the end result will be a "flimsy" unusable product that bends (a needle that BREAKS is defective and should be reported to the manufactures, period) upon insertion.

Needle SHARPNESS--- technological advances have definitely made a difference BUT
bc a sharp needle also has a VERY FINE tip, it tends to BEND
and ANY bending not only diminishes ease of insertion it also can have a marked effect on flow when small caliber bore needles are being used.

FINALLY bc AAS are almost all oil based their viscosity posses another problem NOT confronted is patients such as diabetics, and of course the other difference being INSULIN is normally administered SQ while AAS are given IM by convention.

Considering the above is their a reasonable compromise I suspect that depends upon the amount and frequency of AAS administration but IME a 25 gauge 1 n 1/2" needle is about as good as it gets.

 

[Marcus]

You still use the slins?
I was using 29 5/16 and I would get pip from hell (user error)
Plus like I said it took like 15-20 minutes to inject.

Just for GH I use insulin syringes. For AAS I use 25g, 1"

 

[Xlgx]

This is a VERY common problem with "Slinning"

And why wouldn't it be knowing
the reason most folk Slin to MINIMIZE PAIN

Pain reduction may be achieved by THREE mechanisms, enhanced "sharpness" or a reduction in needle LENGTH or DIAMETER.

Needle DIAMETER reduction can only be achieved by;
- decreasing the bore (or hole) size,

- decreasing the needle (metal portion) thickness

- or a combination of the above

Needle LENGTH Is self explanatory, however it's important to know to ensure adequate stiffness, longer needles require a thinner bore or "hole" size.

Otherwise the end result will be a "flimsy" unusable product that bends (a needle that BREAKS is defective and should be reported to the manufactures, period) upon insertion.

Needle SHARPNESS--- technological advances have definitely made a difference BUT
bc a sharp needle also has a VERY FINE tip, it tends to BEND
and ANY bending not only diminishes ease of insertion it also can have a marked effect on flow when small caliber bore needles are being used.

FINALLY bc AAS are almost all oil based their viscosity posses another problem NOT confronted is patients such as diabetics, and of course the other difference being INSULIN is normally administered SQ while AAS are given IM by convention.

Considering the above is their a reasonable compromise I suspect that depends upon the amount and frequency of AAS administration but IME a 25 gauge 1 n 1/2" needle is about as good as it gets.

What about 25g 1inch or 5/8. Wouldn't be ideal?