[IP] International Pharmaceuticals: Bloodwork=Bunk?Beware

[acro]

Midcycle BW, 4w, 1 Vial
Enanthate 500w
Blood Draw: 8 days after (Holidays)
Dosing Protocol:
Wk1: 500mgx2 (frontload)
Wk2: 250mgx2
Wk3: 500mgx1
Wk4: bw

*Notes: 0 pip @ 500mg frontload
-Changed to another reputable brand and slight PIPx2 (twice now) @ 250mg.
-Because of holiday's couldn't get BW done earlier, but my BW is almost exactly in the same values as the last series of blood tests I've gotten TT: mid 400s and higher than normal Prolactin (pubertal gyno/ still gyno prone).

Calling this my expensive pre-bunk BW... it should've at least elevated my TT somewhat even though im only 3-4w in and with the frontload and long half life I shouldn't be testing back the same as my pre-bloods...

BTW: I've always had low T ever since Jr High, included is a before pic before starting gear.
Think I maxed out my genetic potential, stayed the same pretty much for years:/

Plans: Kickstart with DBOL, although I have VAR and TBOL on hand for show in May...

EDIT: History- IP used to be pretty ok from what I read back in the day before the bust, now that they reopened, sources say... they might actually be epharma rebranded and they were known to be underdosed/bunk.

 

[acro]

@Steve84 @cflow69 @oddsonfavourite @Apexvallen

 

[Apexvallen]

I agree, it should be a lot higher than 16.

 

[cflow69]

If its epharma rebranded its junk

 

[acro]

That's my natural test literally lol... I feel like it was just carrier oil only lol no wonder why it was so smooth with 2cc SANS pip...
I was like sweet this is NOT painful. Newsflash, 250mg of reputable brand gave me a PIP...

I agree, it should be a lot higher than 16.

Multiple sources say on the net...
Didn't come from me, so it must be true!

If its epharma rebranded its junk

@Apexvallen @cflow69 now... what is your opinion to Kickstart, I have dbol,tbol,var on hand thinking about going DBOL since someone here recommended it over the others. Im torn between dbol and tbol for most part. *do it for the gains

 

[cflow69]

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That's my natural test literally lol... I feel like it was just carrier oil only lol no wonder why it was so smooth with 2cc SANS pip...
I was like sweet this is NOT painful. Newsflash, 250mg of reputable brand gave me a PIP...

Multiple sources say on the net...
Didn't come from me, so it must be true!


@Apexvallen @cflow69 now... what is your opinion to Kickstart, I have dbol,tbol,var on hand thinking about going DBOL since someone here recommended it over the others. Im torn between dbol and tbol for most part. *do it for the gains

If ur gyno prone i would not touch dbol .
If ur looking for some hard gainz i would go with superdrol.

 

[mands]

That's my natural test literally lol... I feel like it was just carrier oil only lol no wonder why it was so smooth with 2cc SANS pip...
I was like sweet this is NOT painful. Newsflash, 250mg of reputable brand gave me a PIP...

Multiple sources say on the net...
Didn't come from me, so it must be true!


@Apexvallen @cflow69 now... what is your opinion to Kickstart, I have dbol,tbol,var on hand thinking about going DBOL since someone here recommended it over the others. Im torn between dbol and tbol for most part. *do it for the gains

It's not just carrier oil or your FSH and LH wouldn't be tanked like it is.

It's probably dosed 1/4 or so of what it should be.

Wait when did you pull bloods after your 500mg third week shot? And why did you split your second week and not your third week?

mands

 

[cflow69]

If ur looking to go with what u got . Tbol

 

[acro]

I am not sure on the hardcore stuff maybe later on lol
Ill dose 40mg real low and try it out then if I get gyno Ill be going to the GYNO thread, ill see you guys in there

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If ur gyno prone i would not touch dbol .
If ur looking for some hard gainz i would go with superdrol.

If ur looking to go with what u got . Tbol

Never really took that into consideration my natural FSH and LH is around 1ish and I knew this from the series of blood tests ive gotten growing up, I just saw that it was under 1 and i was like hmm that looks right lol...
I hope it has at least something in there I paid gym prices and 4w and the pins...
I pulled bloods 8 days after PIN after 3rd week 500mg x1 inject, figured the half life of 500mg will end up 500mg end of week because of front load and I did the split like that because i wanted to try injecting into other places and see if I PIP.
Also read into it more that even test E can be pinned once a week decided to change into once a week injections.
Probably bad reasoning though...:/

Doc rescheduled appointment twice on me because of presidents day (need referral for bw), and the lab wouldnt do TEST testing unless between certain hours.

It's not just carrier oil or your FSH and LH wouldn't be tanked like it is.

It's probably dosed 1/4 or so of what it should be.

Wait when did you pull bloods after your 500mg third week shot? And why did you split your second week and not your third week?

mands

 

[rpbb]

I thought IP was called out as bunk a long time ago

 

[Gbro]

That was a pretty shit protocol for getting blood work done. Varying dosages. Only three weeks in. Eight days after last pin. I'm not sure there is much to take away here.

 

[acro]

take it as how you want felt nothing on cycle neither, just wanted to share with people and only have 1 vial of it.

didn't know this

I thought IP was called out as bunk a long time ago

 

[mands]

Never really took that into consideration my natural FSH and LH is around 1ish and I knew this from the series of blood tests ive gotten growing up, I just saw that it was under 1 and i was like hmm that looks right lol...
I hope it has at least something in there I paid gym prices and 4w and the pins...
I pulled bloods 8 days after PIN after 3rd week 500mg x1 inject, figured the half life of 500mg will end up 500mg end of week because of front load and I did the split like that because i wanted to try injecting into other places and see if I PIP.
Also read into it more that even test E can be pinned once a week decided to change into once a week injections.
Probably bad reasoning though...:/

Doc rescheduled appointment twice on me because of presidents day (need referral for bw), and the lab wouldnt do TEST testing unless between certain hours.

Well there's your answer right in black in white. 8 days after last pin. I wouldn't expect much more only 3 weeks in.

Like @Gbro stated not much merit in the testing procedure to call your test bunk at all.

mands

 

[acro]

@mands @Gbro
Lets say for the sake of saying it's just severely underdosed:

Protocol was 500mg/w,
With Enanthate, half life at the end of week is half.
1) I front loaded double(1000mg wk1)
2) made a 2cc injection (500mg wk3) (the whole weeks worth) 8 days before, so at the end of week 3, it should be a lot higher than my own test...

Isn't that how half lifes work?
If I made a 1cc injection instead... then maybe it's not a good wager.

Testosterone Enanthate is usually employed in a higher dosage (usually a minimum of 500mg per week), and because it is an anabolic steroid with a long ester affixed to it, it will exhibit a longer half-life of around 7 – 10 days

 

[mands]

@mands @Gbro
Lets say it's just severely underdosed:

With Enanthate, half life at the end of week is half.
1) I front loaded double
2) made a 2cc injection (the whole weeks worth) 8 days before, so at the end of week 3, it should be ~500mg total... which is a lot higher than TRT doses.

Isn't that how half lifes work?

No sir it is not that simple.

mands

 

[acro]

Well, I guess that's oversimplifying it a bit cause it still takes time to peak blood levels, wasn't feeling anything, balls same size.
Still in the end, I am certain that it wasn't dosed properly...

 

[Gbro]

You may be right, but the protocol you used just doesn't tell us either way. When you inject a quantity of long esther test, it doesn't all absorb right away. That's why you have to wait until five or six weeks have passed.

 

[mands]

Well, I guess that's oversimplifying it a bit cause it still takes time to peak blood levels, wasn't feeling anything, balls same size.
Still in the end, I am certain that it wasn't dosed properly...

Why don't you send it on for testing? That will eliminate the guessing game.

I always check my bloods 48-72 hours after last injection.

mands

 

[acro]

Changed labs only had a vial of it, it's not enough in that vial went to a more reputable lab