Ipamorelin, GHRP-6, or GHRP-2?

[huntlo]

Hey fellas

I've been doing a little research to decide which of these GH secretagogues is best
stacked with CJC-1293? [Decided against CJC-1295 because of the dreaded
"GH bleed"] I'm planning on running a peptide stack after I finish my next cycle.

Week 1-(6-7) Test P 75mg ED
Week 1-6 HGH 4iu EOD (split morning/early afternoon)
Week 7-20 HGH 6iu EOD (split morning/early afternoon)
Week 1-20 T4 25-50mcg ED

(The HGH is more connective tissue health and maintaining gains from cycle, NOT
for creating new muscle growth.)

Back to the topic, my basic understanding of Ipamorelin, GHRP-6, and GHRP-2 is:
Ability to increase GH release: Ipamorelin<GHRP-6<GHRP-2
Adverse effect on prolactin and cortisol levels: GHRP-2<GHRP-6<Ipamorelin

I was just looking for feedback on/personal experience with any of these peptides.
As always, I'm more than open to valid suggestions.

Thanks

 

[bigrobbie]

6 iu/e.d. - WOW...that's a high dollar run bro! I'm very much "green" with envy...

I don't have experience with peptides, as close as I've ever gotten is almost ordering some GHRP-6 and CJC-1295...ha, I decided to research for another 2 years b-4 taking that step. The closest I've come to this type thing is running slin with my AAS'.

I am probably the least knowlegable when it comes to GH...I can't afford it so I tell myself it would make my hands knot up and swell and I'd have alot of skin irritation at the inj. site! LOL...nothing like acting like you don't have an interest to make you forget you can't swing the cost for it! [)]

But on a serious note, this web site has helped me alot...you may know most this stuff but I figure I'll try to give you another route to learn about you peptide journey...check it out-

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Good luck bro................

 

[huntlo]

thanks bigrobbie

I wish I could afford running 6iu ED but I'm actually running it EOD.
I've been doing some reading strongly suggesting EOD injections
that way you limit the amount of time you suppress the release of
your natural GH.

Any thoughts on the T4 dosage? I chose 25mcg but I've seen it
suggested as high as 100mcg. If I'm shooting GH EOD should
I follow the same schedule for the T4 [EOD insted of ED]?

 

[Ziggajay]

Not sure how T4 is handled in non-hypothyroid people but I have a slight hypothyroid and to bring my TSH values within normal range I do 125mg of T4 daily plus 30mg of T3, I believe it shuts down your thyroid though I'm not sure if it's a complete shutdown (therefore necessitating a full replacement of your physiological output plus the extra, supraphysiological amount you're after for use as a PED).

In such scenario 50mg of T4 sounds very low, I believe the dosage is 1mcg per kg of bodyweight, this again is for hypothyroid patients. Since the ptiuitary still secretes TSH when you are on thyroud replacement therapy I'm not sure if the shutdown is partial or complete during treatment. I do know the thyroid is sluggish to resume it's natural output when exogenous administration ceases but again not sure to what extent.

The dosage for T4 is every day and takes about 2 weeks before you notice anything. I assume it's in oral form.
Make sure to get this down just right, and do your research, thyroid hormones are very powerful.

Not to sound like an asshole but you come across as somewhat of an dolt, you're about to start taking thyroid hormone which is possibly the most powerful hormone in the human body and you are completely in the dark on the subject. Also as far as I know, GH should be used for around 6 months to see any benefits. You sound like an idiot with a thick wallet thick full of cash willing to wreak havoc on his endocrine system.

That's all the info I can give you since I am on HRT for thyroid hormone under doctors' guidelines and haven't done as much research on the issue as I have, say, AAS.

 

[bigrobbie]

thanks bigrobbie

I wish I could afford running 6iu ED but I'm actually running it EOD.
I've been doing some reading strongly suggesting EOD injections
that way you limit the amount of time you suppress the release of
your natural GH.

Any thoughts on the T4 dosage? I chose 25mcg but I've seen it
suggested as high as 100mcg. If I'm shooting GH EOD should
I follow the same schedule for the T4 [EOD insted of ED]?

T3 wouldn't be a must. Remember bro...more isn't always better. (BTW, sorry I missed that ur GH was e.o.d.) If you still decide to run T3 I wouldn't go higher than 50mcg/e.d. Some will say to work up to 100mcg daily, but I've never found it to be something I needed, espically when using other compounds that aid fat loss. IMO, I'd leave the Cytomel alone for this cycle.

 

[huntlo]

Not to sound like an asshole but you come across as somewhat of an dolt, you're about to start taking thyroid hormone which is possibly the most powerful hormone in the human body and you are completely in the dark on the subject. Also as far as I know, GH should be used for around 6 months to see any benefits. You sound like an idiot with a thick wallet thick full of cash willing to wreak havoc on his endocrine system.

haha thanks Ziggajay

You say thick wallet---I say smart financial planning
As far as being in the dark about T4, I'm going to have to disagree.
After reading thread after thread of people stacking HGH with T3, I
just assumed that "Yes, by administering supraphysiological levels
of GH that in turn your T3 levels would also need to be elevated to
supraphysiological levels as well." Until I ran across an article written
by Anthony Roberts with James Daemon, Ph.d suggesting that by
artificially increases the amount of T3 present in your body you both
increase and decrease the anabolic effects of GH.

I agree with you on your statement about suppressing the TSH:
Increased T3 levels with suppress the TSH
Adminstering exogenous GH will increase somatostatin which in
turn suppresses the TSH

But, what I learned from the article is that what is desired is the
conversion of T4 to T3 [the "PATHWAY"]. By taking exogenous HGH,
your body converts T4 to T3 more readily. Therefore, while your T3
levels increase, your T4 levels decrease which becomes your limiting
factor for your anabolic effects of HGH.

Again, I really appreciate your feedback. I will take insults with insight
anyday.:tiphat

Here's the link to the article:
Thyroid Hormone + Growth Hormone by Anthony Roberts with James Daemon, Ph.D.

 

[someanddone]

I applaud your restraint and level-headedness huntlo. I read that response from ziggajay and thought it was way outta line, but you handled it well. Bravo.


As far as your original question, the ghrp-2 is only marginally more effective than ghrp-6, and is not worth the extra prolactin and cortisol.....UNLESS.....you have trouble restraining yourself from eating everything in the fridge. If you have a sweet tooth and no restraint, the ghrp-6 will make you much hungrier than the ghrp-2, so take that for what it is. I personally run the modified grf 1(29) which is one and the same as your cjc 1293, and ghrp-6. 100mcg of each post workout and immediately before bed. Love the stuff, but it takes a couple months to notice the results in muscle quality, recovery, skin tone, etc. The sleep benefits are noticeable right away.

 

[huntlo]

Thanks someanddone

My original idea was to go with CJC-1293 [GRF (129)]/GHRP-6, but I
have problems not eating everything in my house anyway. I read
several threads where people suggested Ipamorelin if you couldn't
control the hunger urges because although it's less effective than
GHRP-2, it's much safer.

I'll probably just end up starting out the GHRP-6 and then modifying
as need be.

As far as keeping it level-headed, I just don't see the point of talking
shit via forum posts. You gotta problem, pick a time/place to meet and
finish it.

Thanks again for the input

 

[Ziggajay]

I guess I musjudged, you seem to know more than I thought.

Since I'm on thyroid HRT and considered taking HGH at one point I ran into the dilemma of the HGH/T3 interaction.

All i'm saying is make sure you get the dosage right with T4, in the case of T4 the dosage should be significantly higher than T3 by mcg unit and like I said I'm not sure about how suppressive it is therefore not sure how much you would really need. If you add GH increasing peptides that brings a whole another factor into the equation, also, which you seem to be more informed about than I am.

Good luck with your research.

 

[huntlo]

Dosage of the T4 is my main concern. I guess my best bet would just be
to run the T4 at a low dose with the GH then after a few weeks I could go
get my thyroid levels check. As far as combining the GH with peptides,
I've read some interesting articles on shooting GH 30 minutes after you
inject a GHRP. Theoretically, your body will recognize it as one big pulse.

For now, just gonna run the GH with the T4. If my levels are off after a couple
weeks I'll adjust accordingly (+/-T4 or +T3). I'll keep researching the
GHRP/CJC/GH stack.

Thanks for the feedback

 

[Ziggajay]

I've read exogenous T3 can render HGH cycles ineffective above certain doses. Have you heard of people running ~50mcg of T4 on cycles? It just seems weird to me because as I understood it, exogenous T4 and T3 suppress your natural thyroid production though I'm not sure if it's a complete shutdown ala exogenous Testosterone. If the shutdown is complete you would need to replace your full physiological amount, if the shutdown is partial and dose-dependent then maybe you can get away with ~50mcg amounts?

 

[bigrobbie]

Not sure how T4 is handled in non-hypothyroid people but I have a slight hypothyroid and to bring my TSH values within normal range I do 125mg of T4 daily plus 30mg of T3, I believe it shuts down your thyroid though I'm not sure if it's a complete shutdown (therefore necessitating a full replacement of your physiological output plus the extra, supraphysiological amount you're after for use as a PED).

In such scenario 50mg of T4 sounds very low, I believe the dosage is 1mcg per kg of bodyweight, this again is for hypothyroid patients. Since the ptiuitary still secretes TSH when you are on thyroud replacement therapy I'm not sure if the shutdown is partial or complete during treatment. I do know the thyroid is sluggish to resume it's natural output when exogenous administration ceases but again not sure to what extent.

COPY-------AND-------PASTE Way to make yourself feel like you can talk to a member like they are less than you. What are you on again? HRT for thyroid? Go post at fat_girls_with_daddy_issues_who_blame_T4_instead_of_T-spoons_of_sugar forumsand let the adults talk about something else now.

Not to sound like an asshole but you come across as somewhat of an dolt, you're about to start taking thyroid hormone which is possibly the most powerful hormone in the human body and you are completely in the dark on the subject. Also as far as I know, GH should be used for around 6 months to see any benefits. You sound like an idiot with a thick wallet thick full of cash willing to wreak havoc on his endocrine system..

As far as not sounding like an asshole....you FAIL!! I keep seeing your replies and it seems behind them are angry people who still have no answer. Do you want to be seen as a an overweight wanna be lifter who can google a generic answer from a sponsored link with an agenda? Thanks for littering on our streets...I picked up your Snickers wrapper for ya...ass!

 

[huntlo]

bigrobbie

You highjacking my thread to flame on this guy?[)]

I don't care, let him have it!! opcorn:

Any thoughts on subject?

Thanks bro

 

[bigrobbie]

bigrobbie

You highjacking my thread to flame on this guy?[)]

I don't care, let him have it!! opcorn:

Any thoughts on subject?

Thanks bro

I'm sorry bro...I don't like people tossing around a feathers weights worth of knowledge and calling other members names when they are/have been unprovoked! I've seen 2 threads where this dude is acting like a pompous jerk!

I hope I'm wrong about him. He will make one post acting like a d**k then another acting almost apologetic for his unsolicited arrogant remarks. I hope I have him wrong....we'll see soon enough I assume.