Is this enough for a first time user???

[JonTest]

Well one of my buddies is finally taking the plunge.... I just wanted to see what you guys thought of his cycle....First off he is 215lbs at 6'1"......Not too much bodyfat...... His cycle will look like this: BTW he is wanting a lean mass cycle.....Zencall Tren enanthate 250mg/WK and Zencall Test Enanthate at 500mg/wk....Both shots on Monday and thursday... How does this look......NOw i told him that the lean mass part is up to him and his diet.....But the tren enanthate should help.......What do you guys think.

 

[JonTest]

oh yeah it will be ran for ten weeks and of course PCT......

 

[Silverback]

That sounds like a pretty good cycle to me---
Damn, I havent even used tren enat. and he is using it his first time!!! I gotta get some of that stuff--

Is he going to be using l-dex? Cuz that will help with the lean part a bit=--

 

[JonTest]

Well I told him if he wanted to he could use .25mg/day of Ldex.....I think he doesn't want to spend the money ..... But he has nolva in case of anything flaring up.

 

[latinpride1]

theres no way i would ever recomend tren for a 1st timer...especially tren enan....ive done about 7 cycles, and im on tren enan now, and i can only handle 250mg ew.....if he already purchased the tren then i would tell him to hold off on it, and use 500mg of test enan alone...that with some dex will be a good 1st timer cycle....the dex should keep the bloat down, and he should gain some nice size and strength from the test...and zencall is one of the best labs out right now.....you dont have to take my advice. but i wish i would have waited more before i used tren....night sweats, anxiety, high BP, etc...are to me way too much to handle for a newbie......LP

 

[JonTest]

yeah bro i was thinking the same thing but he is set on using tren........I thought only 250mg/wk would be fine....Seeing as im on 100mg/day of tren acetate.....But he wants to use it and he has been informed of the sides.......So we will see what happens.

 

[4545]

yeah i feel the same way Tren can be harse. Make sure you tell him about the sides with it. I think he would grow like a weed on just 500mg of test per week i did 500mg of sus for 10 weeks ad my first cycle and put on 25 pounds.

 

[gman67]

theres no way i would ever recomend tren for a 1st timer...especially tren enan....ive done about 7 cycles, and im on tren enan now, and i can only handle 250mg ew.....if he already purchased the tren then i would tell him to hold off on it, and use 500mg of test enan alone...that with some dex will be a good 1st timer cycle....the dex should keep the bloat down, and he should gain some nice size and strength from the test...and zencall is one of the best labs out right now.....you dont have to take my advice. but i wish i would have waited more before i used tren....night sweats, anxiety, high BP, etc...are to me way too much to handle for a newbie......LP

What are your thoughts on why a first timer shouldn't use tren?? I'm always intrigued when someone says that. I mean they will still see the same sides and results if they use it on their 15th cycle. It's going to be a shock to the system regardless of when it's taken. Like I said I'm just curious as to why people think this. Just asking

 

[Rod]

What are your thoughts on why a first timer shouldn't use tren?? I'm always intrigued when someone says that. I mean they will still see the same sides and results if they use it on their 15th cycle. It's going to be a shock to the system regardless of when it's taken. Like I said I'm just curious as to why people think this. Just asking

I don't know; maybe you need to take it easy with virgins.

Seriously, I used tren my first cycle w/o a problem.

 

[dzl66]

What are your thoughts on why a first timer shouldn't use tren?? I'm always intrigued when someone says that. I mean they will still see the same sides and results if they use it on their 15th cycle. It's going to be a shock to the system regardless of when it's taken. Like I said I'm just curious as to why people think this. Just asking

The reason being tren has alot of sides and 1st timers might freak when they start experiencing them.Experienced users will have encountered various sides before and realized they go away when dealt with properly and they are part of the game. It also took me years to get the most out of a cycle diet wise and i am still learning.
The other thing is it's kind of like driving a porsche when you first get your liscense~~~where do you go from there?
I could go on at length here but i am missing the laker game
It has nothing to do with how many cycles they have done and shocking the system. I see your reasoning though.

 

[latinpride1]

What are your thoughts on why a first timer shouldn't use tren?? I'm always intrigued when someone says that. I mean they will still see the same sides and results if they use it on their 15th cycle. It's going to be a shock to the system regardless of when it's taken. Like I said I'm just curious as to why people think this. Just asking

well there are a lot of things that i would suggest only to an exp user, t-3, clen, dnp, gh, slin..etc...and to me tren is also one of those things that should be used by ppl with a lil more cycling exp....of course it has nothing to do with it killing you if done incorrectly i.e dnp, slin.....but it is harsh on the body, and can shut you down big time...i think a person with no exp with aas, and with proper pct...would end up doing more harm then good using something like tren...if his pct is not in check, he will lose everything he just worked for..he could with test also, but test doesnt seem to shut you down in the way tren does...it usually takes me 10 weeks to start seeing shrinkage in the nuts, and now on week four of tren enan, im already seeing it.....my sex drive is way down, and im only on 250mg ew...he wants to do 500mg ew...guys i know with way more gear exp then myself are having a hard time dealing with that amount of tren enan..
and i see ur point, when you say be it now or later, sides are sides...very true, but with more exp, you are more aware of what sides to look for and how to work them out......when i 1st used gear, i knew nothing about liv-52, or nolva, etc......and i made some major mistakes...now being that i know a lot more, my pct is always in check, i have all the supplements i need, and i know how to deal with certain sides....
im just looking out for the bro, he will have to make the final decision......LP

 

[JonTest]

bro if you reread it is 250mg/wk...

 

[latinpride1]

OK i did read that wrong....its 250mg ew....i still feel he should hold off on the tren....LP

 

[gman67]

OK i did read that wrong....its 250mg ew....i still feel he should hold off on the tren....LP

Points well taken...and no I don't think we can quite put tren on the same playing field with dnp and slin.
I will add one thing,,if a first time user is hell bent on doing tren I wouldn't do the enan I would use the acetate which would be easier to control and would clear quicker should things not go to his liking. I would start out with a very small dose and gradually increase to find the comfort zone.
Everyone will react differently of course,,some never have any sides to speak of,,some will even get hornier on tren,,some will have decreased sex drive and some will get the night sweats but not all will get the same thing. That can be said with any AS.
I get anxiety attacks on dbol and anadrol which would scare the shit out of anybody but how many times do you see one of those suggested for a first cycle. I'm not disagreeing with anyone just throwing things out for debate...later.

 

[JonTest]

well he knows of the side effects that could arise and still wants to go forth so we'll see what happens.....I should have renamed the thread to: Is 250mg/wk of Tren enanthate enough for a first time user??? The reason why i ask this is because im using 100mg/day of tren ace and that comes to 700mg/wk... But im thinkin it is enough...

 

[Deacon]

I think that 250 mgs of tren and 500 of test is okay - as long as he considers he will gain some aggression and be ready for it. I didnt find my tren enth cycle at 500 mgs per week for 10 weeks to be bad at all - I have had worse cycles sides wise with drols and sus.

But I think at 250 tren and 500 test he will be fine as long as he has a good bro like you to turn to with questions.

Fact is I hear less bros get sides of any kind from tren enth - maybe nightsweats and some aggression but they many more from tren acetate.

 

[latinpride1]

i agree with gman....tren ace would be a better choice in terms of dealing with sides in a more controlled fashion.....but he is dead set on tren enan, so what i would say is,,stay at 250mg, that should be plenty....i would get some valarian root for the anxiety, and hawthorn berry for the BP.....and if night sweats get too bad, then a fan is always handy..they also sell a product on walgreen.com that is placed in the pillow case, and it keeps cool the whole night..its about $20.well worth it......LP

 

[JonTest]

thanks for the help......Much appreciated.

 

[dzl66]

I think that 250 mgs of tren and 500 of test is okay - as long as he considers he will gain some aggression and be ready for it. I didnt find my tren enth cycle at 500 mgs per week for 10 weeks to be bad at all - I have had worse cycles sides wise with drols and sus.

But I think at 250 tren and 500 test he will be fine as long as he has a good bro like you to turn to with questions.

Fact is I hear less bros get sides of any kind from tren enth - maybe nightsweats and some aggression but they many more from tren acetate.

The aggression part can be wicked.... took my ass by surprise. I had to take a clonezepam a couple of times to calm me down. Whats amazing and dangerous about the aggression as that it comes on so damn fast. It's great for the gym though.