Is Your First Cycle Actually Your BEST Cycle?- True?? Or False??

[Texas Ranger]

I've seen this thrown out there so many times, but have to wonder if it's REALLY true. Ok, if diet, training & recuperation are in order. Do you actually see your best results(ie.muscle growth) on your First Cycle? Or is this another gym myth? What has been your experience???

 

[MJM]

I gained 33 lbs in 6 weeks on my first cycle.Hardly kept any of it.Am on another cycle week 4 and have gained 9 lbs.I think it is true.I'm using way heavier drugs and still not even close to where I want to be.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Up for more opinions, guys???

 

[MaxRep]

It's amazing how some things, no matter how illogical or unfounded, never seem to die.

There is zero basis in fact for a first cycle to be a person's best cycle. And this would apply whether by "best" you mean the one to put the most muscle on a person or the one where a person gains the most strength or gets in the best shape or some other measure of "best".

What is true is that the further a person is from their genetic maximum, the more room they have to grow and the easier it is to grow. It does sometimes happen that a first cycle coincides with a person being at their lightest bodyweight and they do put on more weight than any subsequent cycle.

However, there are many more cases where a newby goes on a cycle, doesn't understand how to eat or train properly, only gains 10-12 pounds, and then loses it all. And later, with the proper coaching, goes on a second cycle and puts on 30 pounds. Obviously the first one wasn't the best. There are many variations of this theme whether talking about mass or strength and all point to the fallacy of a first cycle being the best.

MaxRep

 

[MostMuscular104]

But what if a person takes the same exact steroids and dosages, lets say, 12 months apart. And with everything else being equal (training, diet, etc) ... in other words, does your body form a tolerance?

 

[Grizzly]

What Max said. Beautiful job, dude.

Mostmuscular- NO, your body does not form a tolerance to a specific AS. The only thing that makes it seem that way is because, as Max said, the heavier you are the harder it is to gain. Thus, it appears that your body has a tolerance since you do not gain as much weight.

Another reason is that steroids are, in many, many cases, used as a band-aid for poor training/nutrition/etc. Since the user is relying almost solely on the AS to cause muscular growth, they need to constantly up their doses when, in reality, had they eaten or trained better, they could use the same amount and make gains just fine.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I wouldn't mind hearing what Dumbbellpress has to say about this....

 

[AirBorne]

my 2nd cycle is proving to be much much better than my first. first one consisted of test enan and dbol. 2nd consists of test prop/tren/dbol...

true, I am taking diff compounds and training a bit differently, but I am growing alot more off this one.

 

[athlete0185]

in my opinion my second cycle is going way better than my first. ppl think 'first equals best' because they half the time they arent starting from a proper base and when they blow up 15 pounds they think "wow this is unreal". now i educated myself and was able to keep most of my gains. but this second cycle, holy shit, im stronger than ive ever been in my life. ive only gained 6 or 7 pounds of lbm, but ive dropped at least 2% bf and my squat for example has gone up like 35 pounds for reps in the past 6 weeks. my incline bench has gone up 25 pounds. all depends on what your goals are i suppose.

 

[Animalhouse]

Great replies Max and Grizzly

 

[dumbbellpress]

I wouldn't mind hearing what Dumbbellpress has to say about this....

Go back and reread my posts. I made it clear that, before anyone starts a cycle, they need to have spent atleast 90 days doing extensive reading, studying and researching on Nutrtion, sleep, supplements and juice. If a guy emails me asking for cycle advice, and he is totally clueless and doesn't know what he is doing, then without exception I tell him he cannot start a cycle, he is nowhere ready. I tell him to spend atleast another 90 days reading and learning. Only after he knows his shit backwards, forwards, left, right is he ready to start a cycle. I am a stickler for studying and education. Talk to any of my friends, I place a HUGE emphasis on studying and learning. I see some newbies come on Meso, they are 6 weeks into their cycle, and everything they are doing is wrong. They don't have any Nolvadex or anastrozole, their nutrition is terrible, they go out drinking and using rec drugs 4 nights per week, they get 5 hours of sleep. In a word, they ARE NOT READY to start a cycle - everything they are doing is WRONG. Am I tough on newbies?? Damn straight I am tough on newbies. Using anabolic steroids is not a trivial matter, I take it very seriously and everyone else should also take it very seriously.

Before I did my first cycle, I spent 5-6 hours per day on Meso, anabolicreview, my friend's Anabolics 2000 textbook and other sources reading, studying, and learning. After about 3 months of this...............I finally felt comfortable starting a cycle.

As I have said before, my first cycle, everything was PERFECT. I did not drink any alcohol the entire 12 weeks. I got 8-10 hrs of sleep every night without exception. I guzzled water constantly all day. I got 50-55 grams of protein 7 times per day. i trained my ass off 5-6 times per week. Every variable of mine was PERFECT. As a result, I exploded and everyone in my gym knew I was juicing. My first cycle was BY FAR my best cycle. Maxrep, I respectfully disagree with you disputing that, ---IF--- all of the variables are PERFECT - a person's first cycle is not their best cycle. You are a very bright guy and I have a lot of respect for your posts, but again, I respectfully disagree with you.

dumbbellpress

 

[Texas Ranger]

in my opinion my second cycle is going way better than my first. ppl think 'first equals best' because they half the time they arent starting from a proper base and when they blow up 15 pounds they think "wow this is unreal". now i educated myself and was able to keep most of my gains. but this second cycle, holy shit, im stronger than ive ever been in my life. ive only gained 6 or 7 pounds of lbm, but ive dropped at least 2% bf and my squat for example has gone up like 35 pounds for reps in the past 6 weeks. my incline bench has gone up 25 pounds. all depends on what your goals are i suppose.

What are you using, bro? If you don't mind me asking.

 

[chaos]

Go back and reread my posts. I made it clear that, before anyone starts a cycle, they need to have spent atleast 90 days doing extensive reading, studying and researching on Nutrtion, sleep, supplements and juice. If a guy emails me asking for cycle advice, and he is totally clueless and doesn't know what he is doing, then without exception I tell him he cannot start a cycle, he is nowhere ready. I tell him to spend atleast another 90 days reading and learning. Only after he knows his shit backwards, forwards, left, right is he ready to start a cycle. I am a stickler for studying and education. Talk to any of my friends, I place a HUGE emphasis on studying and learning. I see some newbies come on Meso, they are 6 weeks into their cycle, and everything they are doing is wrong. They don't have any Nolvadex or anastrozole, their nutrition is terrible, they go out drinking and using rec drugs 4 nights per week, they get 5 hours of sleep. In a word, they ARE NOT READY to start a cycle - everything they are doing is WRONG. Am I tough on newbies?? Damn straight I am tough on newbies. Using anabolic steroids is not a trivial matter, I take it very seriously and everyone else should also take it very seriously.

Before I did my first cycle, I spent 5-6 hours per day on Meso, anabolicreview, my friend's Anabolics 2000 textbook and other sources reading, studying, and learning. After about 3 months of this...............I finally felt comfortable starting a cycle.

As I have said before, my first cycle, everything was PERFECT. I did not drink any alcohol the entire 12 weeks. I got 8-10 hrs of sleep every night without exception. I guzzled water constantly all day. I got 50-55 grams of protein 7 times per day. i trained my ass off 5-6 times per week. Every variable of mine was PERFECT. As a result, I exploded and everyone in my gym knew I was juicing. My first cycle was BY FAR my best cycle. Maxrep, I respectfully disagree with you disputing that, ---IF--- all of the variables are PERFECT - a person's first cycle is not their best cycle. You are a very bright guy and I have a lot of respect for your posts, but again, I respectfully disagree with you.

dumbbellpress

AMEN. i post few questions, because the answers to most of them are already out there. there is a huge pool of information on the boards. we owe it to ourselves to utilize it. knowledge is power.

my second cycle was better than my first and my next will be better yet. i trained for years before using AAS so i was closer to my genetic max than most.

chaos

 

[drl]

like what everyone else says...

it has to do w/ controlling variables, knowledge, personal goals, and is more of a subjective kind of thing- it is all what you quality (strength, size, muscularity, performance, etc.) and your definition of "best." i don't think the first cycle will ever be the best for anyone- except in terms of body weight gain and maybe strength (percentage-wise), and anyone who isn't a complete newbie will realize that weight gain due to bloat looks like absolute shit and that maybe judging progress by the scale isn't a good thing. my reasoning is this: most individuals lack the proper knowledge of their own bodies' responses to steroids- this doesn't come until later. you can read all you want about aas (and i think that people definitely should before they juice- it's a definite commitment drug), but until you experiment and learn how your body reacts to certain drugs and dosages and training, you can't truly have your best cycle. just my .02

 

[Mr Kent]

My opinion differs from most,but I believe that my cycles get better almost evey time.I don't really measure my success by the number that the scale reads.What matters for me is how well I carry my wieght and I learn by experience.I believe that as you learn how you body reacts to different compounds, you will find out what works best for yourself as an individual.As you become more experienced with your training,dieting,and gear,PCT's,I believe that you can be more satisfied with your physic consistantly.Looking back,my first cycle definitely was not my best.....

 

[MaxRep]

DB,
We have no disagreement. I never said a person's first cycle couldn't be their best cycle. I simply said that to assume a first cycle is always the best cycle is foolish and a mistaken notion. Something for you personally to think about is you can't see the future and therefore, all that is true is that up until now, your first cycle has been your best.

Some people do end up with their first cycles being their best but I've also seen many people make better mass/strength gains on subsequent cycles. There are those cases where people get to a certain level and stop training. After a few years away, they come back and starting from a low bodyweight/strength level go on what may be their 10th cycle and make better gains than on any previous cycle. Again, there are many variations on this theme but the bottom line is for various reasons, a person's best cycle may be their first, or second or tenth cycle.

Best,
MaxRep