Jintani Labs Mid Cycle Bloods

[Falltroy]

These are my mid cycle (week 5) labs using Jintani Test E 250 and Deca 250
500mg/week Test E Pin Monday and Thursday
250mg/week Deca
Bloods were taken 14 hours after last pin so keep in mind when evaluating since i was probably closer to a valley rather than a peak.
Estrogen is high, but haven't been taking any Arimidex since I haven't had any sides. I plan to start taking 1mg EOD to get that number down. Any opinions on this?
Overall happy with the numbers. Strength and libido is though the roof. Put on 20 pounds since start of cycle. Any other thoughts as all other numbers seem to be within range.
Thanks!!!

 

[Falltroy]

Bump

 

[Ophydian]

High WBC and Nuetrophilis is concerning. Seems you are fighting an infection.

Did you get the modified Test considering you are taking a 19-Nor?

I wouldn't be too excited over the weight gain as the high estrogen and Dec combined means you are probably carrying 15 lbs of water weight.

 

[legendary]

These are my mid cycle (week 5) labs using Jintani Test E 250 and Deca 250
500mg/week Test E Pin Monday and Thursday
250mg/week Deca
Bloods were taken 14 hours after last pin so keep in mind when evaluating since i was probably closer to a valley rather than a peak.
Estrogen is high, but haven't been taking any Arimidex since I haven't had any sides. I plan to start taking 1mg EOD to get that number down. Any opinions on this?
Overall happy with the numbers. Strength and libido is though the roof. Put on 20 pounds since start of cycle. Any other thoughts as all other numbers seem to be within range.
Thanks!!!

Ty sir

 

[jp4355]

Did you do a Pre-Cycle Bloodwork with a Total Test.

This would give you much better insight into the quality of your gear................ JP

 

[Falltroy]

Did you do a Pre-Cycle Bloodwork with a Total Test.

This would give you much better insight into the quality of your gear................ JP

I did not do a pre cycle lab, but last cycle I did my gear was under dosed test was around 900 range and I was definitely shut down. I realize I am probably carrying done water weight, but 2800 I know my gear is working which is good considering this is my second cycle and your first was a failed attempt

 

[jp4355]

You always want to do a Pre-Cycle Bloodwork for a couple reasons.
1st and most important ~ to make sure you're Healthy enough to do a Cycle.
2nd ~ to get a more accurate reading of how good your gear is.

For example ~ if your Natty Test is in the 900 range, and you post a Low 2000, then your Gear isn't that good, if you're running 500 mg a week. But if your Natty Test is in the 400 range, then your gear is most likely good...................................... JP
P.S.
There's always some other factors that will come into play, but you get the general idea.
Still, you always want to make sure you have No Abnormal Blood Markers that would preclude you from doing a Cycle, so that's the Foremost reason for doing a Pre-Cycle Bloodwork.

 

[mudbutt22]

You always want to do a Pre-Cycle Bloodwork for a couple reasons.
1st and most important ~ to make sure you're Healthy enough to do a Cycle.
2nd ~ to get a more accurate reading of how good your gear is.

For example ~ if your Natty Test is in the 900 range, and you post a Low 2000, then your Gear isn't that good, if you're running 500 mg a week. But if your Natty Test is in the 400 range, then your gear is most likely good...................................... JP
P.S.
There's always some other factors that will come into play, but you get the general idea.
Still, you always want to make sure you have No Abnormal Blood Markers that would preclude you from doing a Cycle, so that's the Foremost reason for doing a Pre-Cycle Bloodwork.

This isn't true. What your blood results show have nothing to do with your natural levels. You're replacing your natural levels with a synthetic. The difference in numbers is due to people different people metabolizing test differently.

 

[jp4355]

This isn't true. What your blood results show have nothing to do with your natural levels. You're replacing your natural levels with a synthetic. The difference in numbers is due to people different people metabolizing test differently.

The Fuck it doesn't.
A guy with Natty Test of 200 Ng/dl doing 500 mg a week.
Isn't going to post a Total Test as high as a Guy who has a Natty Test of 900 Ng/dl.
It's simple math, which you apparently missed................................. JP

 

[rugerjitsu]

The Fuck it doesn't.
A guy with Natty Test of 200 Ng/dl doing 500 mg a week.
Isn't going to post a Total Test as high as a Guy who has a Natty Test of 900 Ng/dl.
It's simple math, which you apparently missed................................. JP

Is it simple math (bro-science), or is it a scientific fact?

 

[jp4355]

Is it simple math (bro-science), or is it a scientific fact?

This is Scientific Fact ~ under the Branch of Pharmacology, known as Pharmacokinetics.
Here watch this Video............................ JP

What Is Pharmacokinetics? - Definition & Principles - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

 

[rugerjitsu]

This is Scientific Fact ~ under the Branch of Pharmacology, known as Pharmacokinetics.
Here watch this Video............................ JP

What Is Pharmacokinetics? - Definition & Principles - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

i was only allowed to watch a couple minutes of the video before it asked me to sign up, unfortunately, it never got into the science behind someone's natural hormone levels being a factor in the dosage of synthetic hormones and how that relates to their medicated hormone levels. Either way, I agree with you 100% that pre-bloods should be done regardless of what you believe.

 

[jp4355]

Sorry, I assumed it would let you watch the entire Video.

Here's an Abstract on the Pharmacokinetics of Test Cypionate.
Pay close attention to the last sentence where it talks about the Wide Variation of Circulating Androgen Levels of the subjects, who are all receiving the same amount of Testosterone................................ JP

Hormone kinetics after intramuscular testosterone cypionate.
Nankin HR.
Abstract
There have not been reports analyzing in detail the reproductive hormone changes in hypogonadal men after usual therapeutic injections of testosterone cypionate (TC). In 11 hypogonadal men 200 mg intramuscular TC caused a threefold rise in serum T (peak values, days 2 to 5), a 33% increase in % free T (%FT) (days 2 to 7), and a 4.5-fold rise of absolute FT (peak on days 2 to 3), a 66% increase in % nonsex hormone-binding globulin-bound T (%non-SHBG-T) (peak days 2 to 7), a sixfold increase in absolute non-SHBG-T (peak days 4 to 5), and a threefold rise of estradiol (days 2 to 7). Many of the men achieved androgen concentrations (T, FT, and non-SHBG-T) above the respective normal concentrations between days 2 and 7; then steroid values declined to basal levels by days 13 to 14. Non-SHBG-T showed the largest-fold absolute increase and on day 4 to day 5 averaged three times the mean in normal men. Five men achieved non-SHBG-T values several times the upper limit of our total normal range. Luteinizing hormone became suppressed in men receiving their first intramuscular TC injection and remained suppressed in men receiving chronic TC. Thus, in hypogonadal men, biweekly injections of 200 mg TC result in wide variations in circulating androgen levels, from high to elevated shortly after intramuscular TC declining to basal by days 13 to 14.

PMID:

3595893

 

[Maktub]

Thanks for posting . I been up to 98 estro no sides at all. But always have adex just in case .
If you are going to take adex just do .5 twice a week . That's enough , well for me.

Those are good number . As long as you are getting results that's what it matters .

I forgot to ask you ;
If you can post batch number and expiration date it will be grate .

 

[mudbutt22]

Sorry, I assumed it would let you watch the entire Video.

Here's an Abstract on the Pharmacokinetics of Test Cypionate.
Pay close attention to the last sentence where it talks about the Wide Variation of Circulating Androgen Levels of the subjects, who are all receiving the same amount of Testosterone................................ JP

Hormone kinetics after intramuscular testosterone cypionate.
Nankin HR.
Abstract
There have not been reports analyzing in detail the reproductive hormone changes in hypogonadal men after usual therapeutic injections of testosterone cypionate (TC). In 11 hypogonadal men 200 mg intramuscular TC caused a threefold rise in serum T (peak values, days 2 to 5), a 33% increase in % free T (%FT) (days 2 to 7), and a 4.5-fold rise of absolute FT (peak on days 2 to 3), a 66% increase in % nonsex hormone-binding globulin-bound T (%non-SHBG-T) (peak days 2 to 7), a sixfold increase in absolute non-SHBG-T (peak days 4 to 5), and a threefold rise of estradiol (days 2 to 7). Many of the men achieved androgen concentrations (T, FT, and non-SHBG-T) above the respective normal concentrations between days 2 and 7; then steroid values declined to basal levels by days 13 to 14. Non-SHBG-T showed the largest-fold absolute increase and on day 4 to day 5 averaged three times the mean in normal men. Five men achieved non-SHBG-T values several times the upper limit of our total normal range. Luteinizing hormone became suppressed in men receiving their first intramuscular TC injection and remained suppressed in men receiving chronic TC. Thus, in hypogonadal men, biweekly injections of 200 mg TC result in wide variations in circulating androgen levels, from high to elevated shortly after intramuscular TC declining to basal by days 13 to 14.

PMID:

3595893

Am I missing something? This doesn't prove anything from what I can see. It just says there's wide variations in the totals between hypogonadal individuals. It says nothing about what there natural test levels were before the study.

I don't see how it's simple math either. Both men's natural testosterone production will be suppressed by adding the synthetic. Since natural test is being replaced with ythetic, both men you described would have 500 mg of test in their system. It isn't in addition to there natural test level.

Look I could be wrong, but what you're saying and what your posting as evidence is not proving your point.

 

[jp4355]

Mudbutt ~ are you Stupid or what, this is what you asked for.
WTH do you think the phrase, "A Wide Variation", means.
It means that everyone Tested Different, even though they took the same amount of Test C.
For Christ Sake, learn how to read.
You asked for Scientific Evidence, but you don't understand how to read the Report.

Keep talking up the Bro-Science, the Stupid People will buy into that crap every time............... JP

 

[rugerjitsu]

Mudbutt ~ are you Stupid or what, this is what you asked for.
WTH do you think the phrase, "A Wide Variation", means.
It means that everyone Tested Different, even though they took the same amount of Test C.
For Christ Sake, learn how to read.
You asked for Scientific Evidence, but you don't understand how to read the Report.

Keep talking up the Bro-Science, the Stupid People will buy into that crap every time............... JP

I'm not trying to be contrary or argumentative, but a "wide variation" could be interpreted in deifferent ways. It could mean that someone with lower natty levels may end up with higher levels on the same dose as someone with higher natty levels because their body processes the testosterone more efficiently.

 

[rugerjitsu]

Mudbutt ~ are you Stupid or what, this is what you asked for.
WTH do you think the phrase, "A Wide Variation", means.
It means that everyone Tested Different, even though they took the same amount of Test C.
For Christ Sake, learn how to read.
You asked for Scientific Evidence, but you don't understand how to read the Report.

Keep talking up the Bro-Science, the Stupid People will buy into that crap every time............... JP

And calling people stupid isn't a sure fire way to get your point across. Your point sounds more like "Bro-Science" when you argue like that...

 

[jp4355]

And calling people stupid isn't a sure fire way to get your point across. Your point sounds more like "Bro-Science" when you argue like that...

I get Tired making my Point ~ Over and Over.
Did you read how many times, I tried to explain this, and even showed him Testing.
It's not my fault, this guy is Thick as a Brick, and has No Damn Idea what's going on with anything related to AAS.
This is when I start to Berate People, other than that, I'll answer any reasonable question to the Nth Degree........................... JP

 

[rugerjitsu]

I get Tired making my Point ~ Over and Over.
Did you read how many times, I tried to explain this, and even showed him Testing.
It's not my fault, this guy is Thick as a Brick, and has No Damn Idea what's going on with anything related to AAS.
This is when I start to Berate People, other than that, I'll answer any reasonable question to the Nth Degree........................... JP

The problem is, the study you posted doesn't prove your point.