Just Wrapped My First Cycle (Pics)

[adrenalytic]

Hey all,

I just wrapped up my first blast a couple weeks ago so this won't be a running log...just some before and after pics. All in all, it was a good cycle. No sides except for some bloating and CTS flair ups but that's more on the GH. I just can't seem to get acclimated to moderate doses, been stuck at 3 IUs (when I push to 4 is when CTS kicks in).

The blast was 14 weeks of 600 test 4-500 primo and 3-4 IUs GH daily. I had anavar in there for a little while but figured it was overkill and I wanted to save my liver so I can use it for my cut.

Starting weight: 187 lbs. Weighed in at 213 this morning.

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Note the improvements in the loose skin also. I filled some of it out with muscle and some is just straight collagen improvement. Pretty miraculous at 46. My guess is the GH plus I also use GHK-Cu injections daily and some topical shit.

So now I'm done with the blast and gonna cruise at 300T/200P for a little while, get blood work in two weeks and see where we go next.

Anyway, if there's more interest I can post some more shit like training, nutrition, dick pics, etc. Just ask.

 

[readalot]

Hey all,

I just wrapped up my first blast a couple weeks ago so this won't be a running log...just some before and after pics. All in all, it was a good cycle. No sides except for some bloating and CTS flair ups but that's more on the GH. I just can't seem to get acclimated to moderate doses, been stuck at 3 IUs (when I push to 4 is when CTS kicks in).

The blast was 14 weeks of 600 test 4-500 primo and 3-4 IUs GH daily. I had anavar in there for a little while but figured it was overkill and I wanted to save my liver so I can use it for my cut.

Starting weight: 187 lbs. Weighed in at 213 this morning.

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Note the improvements in the loose skin also. I filled some of it out with muscle and some is just straight collagen improvement. Pretty miraculous at 46. My guess is the GH plus I also use GHK-Cu injections daily and some topical shit.

So now I'm done with the blast and gonna cruise at 300T/200P for a little while, get blood work in two weeks and see where we go next.

Anyway, if there's more interest I can post some more shit like training, nutrition, dick pics, etc. Just ask.

Way to go Brother. Awesome work! Looking great.

 

[stevegrantrogers]

How was estrogen with this cycle

 

[adrenalytic]

How was estrogen with this cycle

It was 138 until I threw in the primo. I intentionally did the first 4 weeks as test only to gauge my aromatization rate. After the primo was introduced and new bloods after 4 weeks E2 had dropped to 58. The only sides I got was bloating so it was pretty seamless to me

I'm aware it isn't good to let your E2 to run high even if side effect free. I won't do it again but I needed to know my body's response. Gotta have data on yourself.

 

[Ghoul]

Though you crashed a bike into a telephone pole. Phew...

 

[adrenalytic]

Though you crashed a bike into a telephone pole. Phew...

huh?

 

[Ghoul]

huh?

"Just Wrapped My First Cycle"

lol

 

[adrenalytic]

"Just Wrapped My First Cycle"

lol

Hah, that one went over my head. Well played.

 

[BigDadd7]

"Just Wrapped My First Cycle"

lol

Thats a @bossetti level stuff right there!

 

[Isrrike]

You were completely natural before this blast?

 

[adrenalytic]

You were completely natural before this blast?

Aside from some replacement dose GH, yes. I started hgh in Jan. of this year at 2 IU daily, nothing anabolic. Started the blast in May, the before pics are the day before my first shot.

 

[Isrrike]

Aside from some replacement dose GH, yes. I started hgh in Jan. of this year at 2 IU daily, nothing anabolic. Started the blast in May, the before pics are the day before my first shot.

Your before pics are better than 75% of the guys on here blasting for years. Good job brother you should be proud

 

[adrenalytic]

Your before pics are better than 75% of the guys on here blasting for years. Good job brother you should be proud

thank you bro that means a lot. Been training for years but always been fat. After I lost the weight, I saw a nice canvas to begin building something great. I made sure my house was in order first. I did not make the decision to use AAS lightly.

 

[Banana Joe]

I made sure my house was in order first. I did not make the decision to use AAS lightly.

That shows in many of your posts, that I have encountered so far. I wish I was more diligent, like you evidently are.

In regards to the photos - great job! You gained alot of muscle, but your results in terms of skin are especially spectacular.
Like many guys my age, my skin is also not what it used to be.

Would you mind talking in more detail about your skin protocol, and what you did base it on?

Thanks in advance!

PS: You could look a whole lot better, if you had not taken those photos with the wide-angle-lens of your phone.

 

[adrenalytic]

That shows in many of your posts, that I have encountered so far. I wish I was more diligent, like you evidently are.

In regards to the photos - great job! You gained alot of muscle, but your results in terms of skin are especially spectacular.

Thanks, brother! That means a lot to me. Obsession masked as diligence is what I was going for haha. But seriously, it comes from my work as a systems analyst for lots of years. Having to research/monitor/track/configure/document computer systems for decades has spilled over into my hobbies/obsessions.

Would you mind talking in more detail about your skin protocol, and what you did base it on?

Sure. But don't laugh when I say a lot of my protocol comes from tons of conversations with ChatGPT. It gets a bad rep for spewing misinformation (which it can be prone to do unless you know how to phrase your questions). The trick is to continually ask it the same thing in different ways to drill down to what is extraneous or incorrect vs. what is factual and useful. Perplexity is also useful for cobbling together pertinent studies.

But basically, here was my protocol:

1. 2-4 IUs GH daily (timing does not matter, contrary to what many believe, HOWEVER, you do want to space it apart from your GHK-Cu shots. They utilize similar pathways and I've been told they can interfere with one another's effectiveness. I have not researched or tested this in any meaningful way but it's an easy thing to do. If you take your GH shot at night, do your copper shots in the morning or vice versa. EZPZ).

2. 6-8 mg GHK-Cu injected into the subcutaneous flesh you wish to tighten. GHK is most effective at the injection site. It has roughly a 1.5" radius of effectiveness so space your injections about 3 inches apart to avoid overlap.

(It's important to note that copper toxicity can occur at 10 mg so check how much copper you get in your diet as well.)

In the beginning, I would actually use a tape measure and felt tip pen to mark sites on my stomach then inject right next to the marking (don't inject right ON the mark, you don't want to push that ink into your skin). This worked out to about 15 injections of 500mcg into my stomach area. Rotate the sites every day to avoid irritation. I used a 5 on 2 off protocol. Basically no injections on the weekend. Start with 250mcg to see how it feels. The shot can sting in the beginning.

You can do this for 8 weeks on but be sure to take 8 weeks off as you will develop tolerance and the skin remodeling effects will taper. This is a long game for sure.

3. Homemade GHK-Cu Topical Serum: I also got a nice easy-to-make formula for this from ChatGPT but it's fine if you just want to buy your own. Make sure it contains real GHK. Lots of brands out there call themselves copper peptides but don't actually contain meaningful doses of GHK-Cu.

The serum helps attack the problem from the outside while the injections work on remodeling from the inside.

4. Some kind of retinoid containing moisturizer. I use Medix 5.5 but any will do. Apply it a few minutes after the GHK serum (you want to allow your skin to "drink" in the serum for a few minutes before applying a lotion).

Couple tips: Don't take super hot showers. It removes the natural moisturizing oils from your skin and can result in dry flaky skin. Pat dry with a towel, don't rub for the same reason. A rough towel rubbing on your skin is irritating and removes natural oils. I just slap on a terrycloth robe and it does all the work.

For the sake of stating the obvious, points 3 and 4 should be done after your shower. Don't apply serums/moisturizers then wash them off lol.

5. Vacuum Holds. Great for increasing blood flow in the abdominal area. Promotes healing and remodeling.

6. Supplements. 1,000 mg Vitamin C AM, 1,000 mg Vitamin C PM, 4 mg Astaxanthin (I've only added this recently, probably not necessary but every little bit helps).

7. Time. This one we can't control but non-surgical skin tightening is a waiting game. Take weekly photos to track progress and be patient.

Bonus Round: I have recently started using a red light therapy unit. I'm only about 3 weeks in so I'll keep ya posted. It takes typically 8 weeks to notice results. Everything I have read about it has been positive so we will see.

I think that's about it. Happy to clarify is anything is unclear.

You could look a whole lot better, if you had not taken those photos with the wide-angle-lens of your phone.

I suck at taking pics. I'll play around with the settings next time.

 

[adrenalytic]

Oops, I forgot 10 grams of Collagen type I and III daily under supplements.

 

[Banana Joe]

Thanks, brother! That means a lot to me. ... I think that's about it. Happy to clarify is anything is unclear.

I always give credit where credit is due!
Thanks for the great writeup. Some stuff I had known about, some stuff I had already speculated about, and some was unbeknownst to me.
Will have to read it a few times, until more questions will arise.

Oops, I forgot 10 grams of Collagen type I and III daily under supplements.

I was about to ask about that.
Also, why are not micro-needling - or are you?

I suck at taking pics. I'll play around with the settings next time.

It is better to suck at taking pics than the other way around. There are way to many mediocre physiques that really know how to play with the perspective and angles.

Taking a photo is not rocket science, just take the middle setting of your (presumably) 3-lens-camera arrangement and use that one. Try to position the camera height around the lower end of your sternum, if not a bit higher.
That lens should approximate a 50mm (35mm equivalent) lens, which is a so called "normal" lens. Technically it would actually be 43mmm, but lenses of focal length are very rare for whatever reason.
Anyway these lenses are showing proportions how the human eye sees them, despite us actually having a much wider FOV.

 

[adrenalytic]

Thanks for the great writeup.

Welcome!

why are not micro-needling

Honestly? Cost and convenience. The at-home dermarollers are trash based on my research And the in-office treatments are inconvenient and costly. Plus,I stick enough needles in me. I may try it down the road but I'm barely a year removed from being morbidly obese. Anecdotally I've heard that post weight loss skin remodeling can happen for up to two years before it sort of "maxes" on what can be done naturally. I have the patience of a log.

Taking a photo is not rocket science

Super helpful tips my dude, I'm excited to try them out. thanks a ton.

 

[Banana Joe]

Honestly? Cost and convenience. The at-home dermarollers are trash based on my research And the in-office treatments are inconvenient and costly. Plus,I stick enough needles in me. I may try it down the road but I'm barely a year removed from being morbidly obese. Anecdotally I've heard that post weight loss skin remodeling can happen for up to two years before it sort of "maxes" on what can be done naturally. I have the patience of a log.

Your right, the rollers are trash as their don't go straight in and out.
A mate of mine is obsessed with how he looks and recommend me the Dr. Pen Ultima M8. This is apparently the best at home needling device, if you don't get a beauty salon grade one. I absolutely trust his research on this, but feel free to find a better one.
It has been a while since I had looked into this but some results regarding loose skin (all were women AFAIR) looked very promising and they weren't achieved with much if any pharmacology.


Regarding the different points you mention:

1. I'd be curious if they actually interfere with each other, I'd rather do all my shots before bed. GH before bed is given for me, but I don't if I can myself to do the GHK shots every morning. I take as much as I can take in the evening as I am not a much of a morning person...

2. Am I reading this right, that you do 15x500mcg GHK injections each day?
So you pin that 3x3" dot pattern everyday on your stomach?
How do I rotate the sites then? Are talking about doing the stomach not everyday, but rotate between other areas with loose skin?

3. I would prefer making my own, as it seems easy to save quite a bit money there.

4.I thought about just adding tretinoin to a full body lotion, as I have pretty dry skin anyway. I read some are doing that, or are there arguments against this?

5. Interesting, would have never thought about it, but it could be combined with the vacuum training I always want to start.

6. Some say that Collagen is useless, because it is just another source of amino acids. I am unsure what to believe in that regard. Anecdotally overaged women report getting better skin if taking it daily.

Super helpful tips my dude, I'm excited to try them out. thanks a ton.

You're welcome. It feels like a different life by now, but I once dealt with stuff like this a lot more often.

 

[Banana Joe]

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Holy shit, I just realised this is you being natural (except the low dose GH?!) at 45.

I certainly wasn't your size, when I was around 35 and the strongest (but also fat) I had ever been as a kinda natural (as in having been off for over a decade, with very infrequent periods of training in the gym).

I really need to get my shit together....