knotting and swelling with new Test E batch

[ziopane]

Hi everyone,
I've got some testosterone enanthate powder like a year ago and i made a first batch 250mg/ml 2%ba 8%bb with GSO that was perfect (i also have the bloodworks), the remaining powder was stored in a dark place vacuum sealed.
Now i brewed another batch with sesame oil and i've got a pretty bad pip from it. Everytime i pin (0,25ml 27g needle) i get a slight discomfort in the area first then pip increase and after 12/24h i get a reddish painful lump that fades in around 3 days.
So i made another batch with new GSO, BA 1,5%, BB 10% but the pain is the same.
my procedure was:
1- BA + BB + powder in a beaker
2- light up an hot plate to 52c
3- add oil and stir until i don't see any hormone swirls left
4- filter with a sterile .22 pvdf
5- done

I've tried to cut down a vial with more oil (filtered) to reach 200mg/ml, reheated, but it doesn't seem to help. In this vial i've noticed some odd particles (not visible here) that are creating this kind of effect

i can barely see these very small floaters even in the other vials but they are like 70% less than this one.
Do you know what the hell is this and how to solve it?

I think the culprit is the powder and i would like to know if i didn't store it properly or if it's exipred or what else could be?

 

[monichi]

This subject has been often answered
@master.on thinks over time Test E degrade back to TNE and Enanthic acid
Test E self-hydrolyse if exposed to ambient air for a long time
So, when the first time you open the bag of test E, it has been reported by different bewers here, you have 4 months left to brew it.

more info here:
painful testosterone enanthate powder

 

[MisterSuperGod]

This subject has been often answered
@master.on thinks over time Test E degrade back to TNE and Enanthic acid
Test E self-hydrolyse if exposed to ambient air for a long time
So, when the first time you open the bag of test E, it has been reported by different bewers here, you have 4 months left to brew it.

more info here:
painful testosterone enanthate powder

Who is that in your avatar?

 

[alphastrength50]

LOL @MisterSuperGod

 

[monichi]

This is Robin Finck in '99 to 2002 (NiN, nuGnR)

 

[ziopane]

This subject has been often answered
@master.on thinks over time Test E degrade back to TNE and Enanthic acid
Test E self-hydrolyse if exposed to ambient air for a long time
So, when the first time you open the bag of test E, it has been reported by different bewers here, you have 4 months left to brew it.

more info here:
painful testosterone enanthate powder

thanks for the input, if the enanthic acid is the culpript i could try to reach his flash point to burn it out...
Heptanoic acid
or should i trash all this batch?

 

[monichi]

@ziopane
Heptanoic Acid also known as enanthic acid has Flash point near 200°F.
GSO it's 400°F
Benzyl benzoate it's 298 °F
testosterone enanthate 's Flash Point is 417,5°F
But sadly Benzyl alcohol its Flash point is 194°F
so you can give a try to warm a little over 210°F for 15mn
let it cool down to 60°F
add BA 1%
refilter with a .22um PVDF
inject 0.5cc and report to us

 

[MisterSuperGod]

This is Robin Finck in '99 to 2002 (NiN, nuGnR)

i thought that was him. Love NIN.

Edit: Sorry for the off topic stuff @ziopane
If you try this and succeed in fixing your Test E, let everyone know.

You'd be a hero around here. This problem with Test E pops up all too often without a way to fix it.

 

[Krampus]

You'd be a hero around here. This problem with Test E pops up all too often without a way to fix it.

+1 on this

 

[Monstar]

This problem with Test E pops up all too often without a way to fix it.

Agree. Old test e powder seems to do this. Plus there was a bad batch from Asia some months back that caused all kind of problems.

One solution (wait for the pun) brew it all into stable solution and bottle or keep in media bottle. BA and oil keeps it stable for years and close to indefinitely if stored properly.

 

[ziopane]

@ziopane
Heptanoic Acid also known as enanthic acid has Flash point near 200°F.
GSO it's 400°F
Benzyl benzoate it's 298 °F
testosterone enanthate 's Flash Point is 417,5°F
But sadly Benzyl alcohol its Flash point is 194°F
so you can give a try to warm a little over 210°F for 15mn
let it cool down to 60°F
add BA 1%
refilter with a .22um PVDF
inject 0.5cc and report to us

i did the first try yesterday in a hurry with the 200mg/ml vial, using 2x 20g needles sticked in and a temperature between 200°F and 240°F for approximately 5 minutes, then i let it cool down a bit and shot .2ml in my quad. The particles stuff stills the same.
Now (more than 24h later) i have some pip but so far i don't have any redness or the usual knot. I'm still not convinced that it works, i'll try again on monday pinning my pec.
I just did the same procedure with a 250mg/ml vial and being as much precise as i can with temperature and time. 20 minutes with a temperature between 200°F and 240°F (using an infrared thermometer to measure)

 

[monichi]

The second theory would be that the ester enanthate has gone
so after the flash point of Heptanoic Acid at 200°F
You should brew it like a testosterone base
no more than 100mg/ml with 2%BA 18%BB

other thing, if it's really now a testo base, you should feel it fast

 

[Ohiopower]

The second theory would be that the ester enanthate has gone
so after the flash point of Heptanoic Acid at 200°F
You should brew it like a testosterone base
no more than 100mg/ml with 2%BA 18%BB

other thing, if it's really now a testo base, you should feel it fast

You might be on to something there. I had a batch of old raws and had same issue. Bad pip I diluted it down to 100mg and pip is gone. I did notice feeling the test base feeling a few hours after pinning. I just wrote it off as psychosyematic effect. Now im thinking I might use up this gear as preworkout like u would TNE.

 

[monichi]

@Ohiopower: Interesting

To resume:
Heptanoic acid is used to esterify steroids in the preparation of drugs such as testosterone enanthate, trenbolone enanthate, drostanolone enanthate, and methenolone enanthate (Primobolan) and so on.

Over time Test E degrade back to TNE and Enanthic acid
(Test E self-hydrolyse if exposed to ambient air for a long time)

So after the flash point of Heptanoic Acid at 200°F you stay with just the Testosterone Base and should brew it with the testo Base 's recipe:
1 or 2% BA with 18% or 20% BB and no more than 100mg/ml.

 

[Ohiopower]

Today is test run. I pinned 100 at 9 30 plus my reg monday 300 of Test C and 50 of Anadrol. I going to breakfast then going to hit Max effort legs at about 1130. Now that im looking for the Test rush it is evident even 1 hour after pin.

 

[ziopane]

I did the pec shot 12 hours ago and i already have pip and some swelling right in the pin site, maybe is just the high concentration of test base.

Over time Test E degrade back to TNE and Enanthic acid
(Test E self-hydrolyse if exposed to ambient air for a long time)

I stored it in a vacuum sealed bag at room temp, could it be just a matter of time or temperature exposure for degradation/hydrolization of test e raw?

So after the flash point of Heptanoic Acid at 200°F you stay with just the Testosterone Base and should brew it with the testo Base 's recipe:
1 or 2% BA with 18% or 20% BB and no more than 100mg/ml.

Thank you, i'll try this recipe just for curiosity.

Now i have to buy new raws, is test cypionate better for storage over time?

 

[Ohiopower]

Yes I always go Test C now I do like that I accidently have 200ml of TNE 100. It is like being superman 45 min after pin for next 4 hours. I pin it in Glute Medus (upper Glute smaller muscle) at 200 it sucks even at .5ml at 100mg its not bad but dont quad pin it trust me u wont again.

 

[ziopane]

Thanks, now i'm taking a step forward and i can't find an "easy" recipe for cypionate, i mean 200mg/ml without EO.
for 100ml:
20g cyp powder
1ml ba
18ml bb
64ml GSO oil
is it g2g?

 

[Ohiopower]

Thanks, now i'm taking a step forward and i can't find an "easy" recipe for cypionate, i mean 200mg/ml without EO.
for 100ml:
20g cyp powder
1ml ba
18ml bb
64ml GSO oil
is it g2g?

looks good I use 20% BB 1%BA I use Purple Pandas calculator

 

[Iron Vett]

Thanks, now i'm taking a step forward and i can't find an "easy" recipe for cypionate, i mean 200mg/ml without EO.
for 100ml:
20g cyp powder
1ml ba
18ml bb
64ml GSO oil
is it g2g?

In mct I get test cyp to hold at 2%ba and 18%bb