Lactic acid is good for you

greyowl

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May 16, 2006
Lactic Acid Is Not Muscles' Foe, It's Fuel
By GINA KOLATA

Everyone who has even thought about exercising has heard the warnings about lactic acid. It builds up in your muscles. It is what makes your muscles burn. Its buildup is what makes your muscles tire and give out.

Coaches and personal trainers tell athletes and exercisers that they have to learn to work out at just below their "lactic threshold," that point of diminishing returns when lactic acid starts to accumulate. Some athletes even have blood tests to find their personal lactic thresholds.

But that, it turns out, is all wrong. Lactic acid is actually a fuel, not a caustic waste product. Muscles make it deliberately, producing it from glucose, and they burn it to obtain energy. The reason trained athletes can perform so hard and so long is because their intense training causes their muscles to adapt so they more readily and efficiently absorb lactic acid.

The notion that lactic acid was bad took hold more than a century ago, said George A. Brooks, a professor in the department of integrative biology at the University of California, Berkeley. It stuck because it seemed to make so much sense.

"It's one of the classic mistakes in the history of science," Dr. Brooks said.

Its origins lie in a study by a Nobel laureate, Otto Meyerhof, who in the early years of the 20th century cut a frog in half and put its bottom half in a jar. The frog's muscles had no circulation no source of oxygen or energy.

Dr. Myerhoff gave the frog's leg electric shocks to make the muscles contract, but after a few twitches, the muscles stopped moving. Then, when Dr. Myerhoff examined the muscles, he discovered that they were bathed in lactic acid.

A theory was born. Lack of oxygen to muscles leads to lactic acid, leads to fatigue.

Athletes were told that they should spend most of their effort exercising aerobically, using glucose as a fuel. If they tried to spend too much time exercising harder, in the anaerobic zone, they were told, they would pay a price, that lactic acid would accumulate in the muscles, forcing them to stop.

Few scientists questioned this view, Dr. Brooks said. But, he said, he became interested in it in the 1960's, when he was running track at Queens College and his coach told him that his performance was limited by a buildup of lactic acid.

When he graduated and began working on a Ph.D. in exercise physiology, he decided to study the lactic acid hypothesis for his dissertation.

"I gave rats radioactive lactic acid, and I found that they burned it faster than anything else I could give them," Dr. Brooks said.

It looked as if lactic acid was there for a reason. It was a source of energy.

Dr. Brooks said he published the finding in the late 70's. Other researchers challenged him at meetings and in print.

"I had huge fights, I had terrible trouble getting my grants funded, I had my papers rejected," Dr. Brooks recalled. But he soldiered on, conducting more elaborate studies with rats and, years later, moving on to humans. Every time, with every study, his results were consistent with his radical idea.

Eventually, other researchers confirmed the work. And gradually, the thinking among exercise physiologists began to change.

"The evidence has continued to mount," said L. Bruce Gladden, a professor of health and human performance at Auburn University. "It became clear that it is not so simple as to say, Lactic acid is a bad thing and it causes fatigue."

As for the idea that lactic acid causes muscle soreness, Dr. Gladden said, that never made sense.

"Lactic acid will be gone from your muscles within an hour of exercise," he said. "You get sore one to three days later. The time frame is not consistent, and the mechanisms have not been found."

The understanding now is that muscle cells convert glucose or glycogen to lactic acid. The lactic acid is taken up and used as a fuel by mitochondria, the energy factories in muscle cells.

Mitochondria even have a special transporter protein to move the substance into them, Dr. Brooks found. Intense training makes a difference, he said, because it can make double the mitochondrial mass.

It is clear that the old lactic acid theory cannot explain what is happening to muscles, Dr. Brooks and others said.

Yet, Dr. Brooks said, even though coaches often believed in the myth of the lactic acid threshold, they ended up training athletes in the best way possible to increase their mitochondria. "Coaches have understood things the scientists didn't," he said.

Through trial and error, coaches learned that athletic performance improved when athletes worked on endurance, running longer and longer distances, for example.

That, it turns out, increased the mass of their muscle mitochondria, letting them burn more lactic acid and allowing the muscles to work harder and longer.

Just before a race, coaches often tell athletes to train very hard in brief spurts.

That extra stress increases the mitochondria mass even more, Dr. Brooks said, and is the reason for improved performance.

And the scientists?

They took much longer to figure it out.

"They said, 'You're anaerobic, you need more oxygen,' " Dr. Brooks said. "The scientists were stuck in 1920."

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I know if read something about that in a muscle mag years ago but i'm too tired to read it now .. I will read it though ..
 
I don't believe this is relevant to the training demographic that frequents this board. Is this just supposed to be interesting info?
 
dookie1481 said:
I don't believe this is relevant to the training demographic that frequents this board. Is this just supposed to be interesting info?

This is very relavent info. Mainly because this forum has provided, provides and will continue to provide info on all kinds of training. That includes fitness and fat burning training. Dont you get lactic acid build up when you train your calfs? I know I do! Relevant info it is!
 
dookie1481 said:
I don't believe this is relevant to the training demographic that frequents this board. Is this just supposed to be interesting info?

Tell me Junior, exactly what type of board do you think you just joined? A board for chess-players?

Whenever you're ready, feel free to contribute something worthwhile to the discussion on this board instead of making pointless wise-ass remarks.
 
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greyowl said:
Tell me Junior, exactly what type of board do you think you just joined? A board for chess-players?

Whenever you're ready, feel free to contribute something worthwhile to the discussion on this board instead of making pointless wise-ass remarks.


well said.
 
greyowl said:
Tell me Junior, exactly what type of board do you think you just joined? A board for chess-players?

Whenever you're ready, feel free to contribute something worthwhile to the discussion on this board instead of making pointless wise-ass remarks.

Wow, way to fly off the handle. Very mature for a moderator.

Perhaps I should have been more specific.

The adaptations talked about in the article would be a little bit more useful in a sport/event geared towards endurance. Since this board seems to be primarily strength athletes and bodybuilders, why would you want to encourage a shift towards Type I? Type IIs have a greater potential for hypertrophy, and I shouldn't even need to mention the relevance for strength athletes.

So again, I ask, what relevance does this have?
 
dookie1481 said:
I don't believe this is relevant to the training demographic that frequents this board. Is this just supposed to be interesting info?

Apologies; I suppose this post looked a little inflammatory.

I assure you that it wasn't intended that way. I was genuinely wondering if there was something that I didn't get.
 
dookie1481 said:
Wow, way to fly off the handle. Very mature for a moderator.

Perhaps I should have been more specific.

The adaptations talked about in the article would be a little bit more useful in a sport/event geared towards endurance. Since this board seems to be primarily strength athletes and bodybuilders, why would you want to encourage a shift towards Type I? Type IIs have a greater potential for hypertrophy, and I shouldn't even need to mention the relevance for strength athletes.

So again, I ask, what relevance does this have?
Now i have to read it .. OK i read it and i ... I .. I don't know what to say lol .. We all get burns when we train don't we? I know i do and if you don't then your not pushing hard enough .. Pretty obvious i guess
 
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dookie1481 said:
Apologies; I suppose this post looked a little inflammatory.

I assure you that it wasn't intended that way. I was genuinely wondering if there was something that I didn't get.

Apology accepted. Much appreciated.
 
Well if lactic acid is good for you, then why do massotherapits suggest drinking a lot of water after deep tissue therapy to get rid of the lactic acid that has been released? I have to disagree with keeping lactic acid at high levels in the body. This may be from a new study but most "new studies" haven't been researched long enough or being based or lab result with rats. What works in rats and what works in humans are 2 different sides of the spectrum.
 
IdolOfArnies said:
Well if lactic acid is good for you, then why do massotherapits suggest drinking a lot of water after deep tissue therapy to get rid of the lactic acid that has been released? I have to disagree with keeping lactic acid at high levels in the body. This may be from a new study but most "new studies" haven't been researched long enough or being based or lab result with rats. What works in rats and what works in humans are 2 different sides of the spectrum.

LOL you've just made me imagine a little rat doing circuit training:D
 
IdolOfArnies said:
Well if lactic acid is good for you, then why do massotherapits suggest drinking a lot of water after deep tissue therapy to get rid of the lactic acid that has been released? QUOTE]

Cause they are ignorant !

Deep tissue doesn't release lactic acid build up, it doesn't change cellular ph at all as far as I am aware.

The point greyowl is making is that lactic acid is used as a secondary fuel source during intense exercise - it is not the cause of muscle soreness and is not intrinsically "bad" thing.

Cheers,

G
 
Gavin Laird said:
IdolOfArnies said:
Well if lactic acid is good for you, then why do massotherapits suggest drinking a lot of water after deep tissue therapy to get rid of the lactic acid that has been released? QUOTE]

Cause they are ignorant !

Deep tissue doesn't release lactic acid build up, it doesn't change cellular ph at all as far as I am aware.

The point greyowl is making is that lactic acid is used as a secondary fuel source during intense exercise - it is not the cause of muscle soreness and is not intrinsically "bad" thing.

Cheers,

G

Gavin to the rescue. He's right about massatherapists.
 
there is so much bullshit about lactic acid, its incredible. all it really is, basically, is a midpoint of metabolism between anaerobic glycolisis and aerobic glycolisis... just basically a substance that is midway on the chain of converting glucose to ATP. when there is not enough O2 present to supply all the energy needed by aerobic glycolysis, the process stops at this point and lactic acid builds up. when there is enough O2, it is all converted to ATP. now this is basic and therefore not really LITERALLY true, but i assume most reading this dont have muscle phys books to refere to. but jesus, i get so tired of hearing about lactic acid being responsible for this, or for that. its just a metabolic step, nothing more.

now, no offense meant to whoever started this topic. personally, i thought it was interesting. its just that i dont know why there is so much disinformation about LA all over the place. people believe all sorts of crazy shit about this molecule. its insane.
 
johnsmith182 said:
there is so much bullshit about lactic acid, its incredible ... i get so tired of hearing about lactic acid being responsible for this, or for that. its just a metabolic step, nothing more ...its just that i dont know why there is so much disinformation about LA all over the place. people believe all sorts of crazy shit about this molecule. its insane.

I agree JS, which is why I started this thread. It's scentific evidence that the obsession with negative effects of LA is bogus.

I know NHL players who skate off the ice at the end of a game and run straight to stationary bikes and peddlke like crazy for an hour because they think it will dissipate LA and thus limit their post-game muscle soreness. Pretty stupid, eh?
 
elgaringo said:
LOL you've just made me imagine a little rat doing circuit training:D

Hence the origin of the common term "Gym Rat."

So is Lactic Acid responsible for the intense burning sensation when your muscles are worked hard? Cause if it is, it ain't workin' for me cause that is when I feel the weakest.
 
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