Long term Arimidex use

[the Colonel]

Are there any potential long term negative side effects with constantly staying on arimidex. I mean if someone had a naturally high level of estrogen and wanted to keep it in check would this be ok to stay on for.

-the Colonel

 

[iamdwalrus]

What's long-term for you? I used it for 18 months and bloodwork every 6 weeks and didn't have any noticeable side-e's.

 

[focus]

Long term Adex

Hey Bro,

If you have high estrogen levels you would want long term use of Arimidex & to find a stable dose to keep estrogen in normal range. The sides of using Arimidex for someone with no estrogen problem could include problems for the heart as estrogen is needed for good blood cholesterol levels. You can get brittle & weak bones as well. Women get osteo. P. when they have low estrogen and so will a man. It is rare in men because testosterone converts to estrogen but it won't convert while on Arimidex if dose is to high. Arimidex is strong stuff have blood checked for best dose. You may consider an estrogen receptor blocker like Nolvadex instead of Arimidex an anti-aromatase as Nolvadex blocks bitch tits & acts as estrogen on bone & in blood causing better blood profile & stronger bones. This is what I go buy ontil studies prove me wrong.

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[Homer_J]

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You may want to post your question in the HRT forum - I'm not sure how often Swale reads this one.

I think femara would be better. Maybe try 0.1 mg a day and get your estrogen levels checked after a week? You could do the 0.1 mg if you bought a powder and put it into a solution. From what I've read, Femara doesn't mess with bone density.

I don't like thinking of nolvadex for unless you're on a cycle or during PCT b/c of the potential for eye damage.

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Thank you,
MaxRep

Good luck,
Homer_J

 

[Tank01]

never heard about the bone density issue with arimidex vs femara... but I have heard about how Femara doesnt screw with your lipid levels as arimidex does... so that would be a reason in my opinion not to take it.

later

 

[focus]

Arimidex

Homer_J Your quote below,

"I don't like thinking of nolvadex for unless you're on a cycle or during PCT b/c of the potential for eye damage."

"There's a good discussion about this at this link:"



Homer_J,

I would like you to post the study if you can on the Nolvadex eye damage connection. I am not aware of this connection & thought clomid was the culprit not Nolvadex? Also I did not know damage took place just a temporary blur of vision & again on Clomid not Nolvadex. I understand Clomid & Nolvadex are similar drugs in structure but, that does not mean they yeild same positives & negatives. I went to your link and saw so much bullshit about natural anti-estrogen suplements it made me want to puke. The Chinese or whatever race living longer is more likely to be from eating less negative cholesterol type foods i.e. they don't have a western diet & they eat fish rich in healthy omega-3 oils. Your link would have me believe the longer life is do to the anti-estrogen properties in the vegies? They may have some role but don't expect me to rush out & by natural products of this type. The article also slammed Arimidex for not getting rid of differnt types of metabolites of estrogen. Give me a break if you don't produce estrogen over time the metabolites will disapear.

What fucking bullshit that link was! Homer_J not an attack on you your just trying to help so the best way to help would be to post the study on the Nolvadex eye damage connection & thanks in advance if you post it!

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[MaxRep]

I don't like thinking of nolvadex for unless you're on a cycle or during PCT b/c of the potential for eye damage.

Good luck,
Homer_J

Homer, I think you're confusing nolvadex and clomid with regards to eye problems.

Colonel, there are numerous benefits to estrogen. Not the least of which are the anabolic effects. Also, many people don't realize insufficient estrogen will actually render a male infertile.

Estrogen should be kept low enough that you're not getting gyno but high enough that you are getting the benefits which include: reduces cholesterol, increases glucose utilization, increases GH/IGF-1 levels, maintains fertility, and positively affects androgen receptor concentrations.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[focus]

Arimidex

Maxrep,

Nice post, you hit on some great points for maintaining a normal estrogen level.

focus

 

[biganth]

Long term Arimidex use will screw up your Lipid Profile.Clomid fuck with my eyes REALLY bad.I no longer use it!

 

[Homer_J]

My bad

My bad about the link - I meant that it had a discussion of long term estrogen management. That was what the Colonel was wanting to do - manage his estrogen.

In regards to Nolvadex & eye problems...

From http://www.drugs.com/cons/Nolvadex.html :

Side Effects of This Medicine
... It also causes liver cancer in rats. In addition, tamoxifen has been reported to cause cataracts and other eye problems.


More links...just click & do a search for 'eye'...

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202545.html
http://www.pharmj.com/Editorial/20000219/clinical/tamoxifentoxicity.html
http://www.meds.com/archive/mol-cancer/2000/05/msg01321.html

Good luck
Homer_J

 

[Homer_J]

Sorry MaxRep

Sorry MaxRep - I didn't know we weren't allowed to link to other boards. I'm pretty sure that last link in my previous message goes to some kind of cancer discussion board. If it violates any rules please delete it.

Homer_J

 

[the Colonel]

I didnt know we werent allowed to post links to other boards. either. quite abit different it seems around here from a few years ago when this was my second home. Thats a shame.

Anyways guys thanks for all the respones. Let me give you all a little more info here. I have some pubescent gyno and if i take any thing it seems to flare it up. I have used var only before and it flared my gyno( I think because after being on for weeks the var started to shut down my natural test which let my t to estrogen ratio fall which caused for the estrogenic sides) that is my theory anyways. So anyways this lead me to believe I have boarder line high estrogen. like Bill roberts said before when someone asked him how much of an aas can someone take without worrying about Gyno. He said it is different in every body. He said someone might be so close on the verge naturally that a very small dose my set them over.
Bigger issue here. I have low sex drive. It is very hard for my guy to salute all the time. Not from abuse of AAs I know this. It happened on its own over a period of about 3months. He worked fine one day the next he didnt. I was very stressed at this time and going through big family probs and relationship. Well that was about 2 yrs ago now. Viagra and cialis seem to do neel for me. However If I use arimi for only a week or so HE starts performing much better.
As far as in the gym goes I am lifting strong and gaining size so I dont seem to be affected there. I think test is good just too much E . Opinions very appreciated. And for those of you who dont know me I was a very frequent member here a few years back. Thanks guys. Hopefully I can start spending more time here once again.

-the Colonel

 

[focus]

Arimidex

Homer_J,

The link to side effects from the Novadex was a nice informational post now those are always good to read. This will make me re-think any Nolvadex use. As far as the "Tamoxifen increasing the chance of cancer of the uterus (womb) in some women taking it." blurb on the side effect warning that is because Nolvadex acts as estrogen on the Uterus I believe. I have posted many times in the past on this forum maybe under other screen names asking how Nolvadex acts on the prostate gland because I am worried it could have the same effect as it does in a womans Uterus. Thanks again Homer_J. I was schooled by you today! Back to Arimidex use only for me!

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[focus]

Colonel,

Have you tried some Winny while on Oxandrolone? Winny helps with things that don't seem to convert to DHT like DECA & Tren. I believe it will help with Oxandrolone as well. (As far as sexual function & stopping Gyno) How about using the Oxandrolone\Proviron stack to keep your boys on line? Proviron I think causes no burden on liver & gives good sexual function. I have in the past used Oxandrolone & feel it did effect my sex drive much like Deca while at high doses over 40 mg day Oxandrolone. As far as Bitch tit I believe Oxandrolone will raise progesterone levels much like Tren. I have no hard facts to back it up but, I believe Winny or Andractin (DHT Cream or Gel.) & Proviron will be your answer in combating Gyno & keeping the boys on line try it and let us know. Best of luck.

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[VDC]

I've used arimidex for 2 years straight with no ill side effects,,,

Tren and deca do not raise progesterone levels but have progesteronic effects themselves,,,They trigger the PRs,,,This is why winny helps,,,

VDC

 

[the Colonel]

I appreciate the advice but my concern isnt while on var. I was just giving an example of why i think my estrogen is at a naturally too high level already. I cant maintain an erection and that is the prob. I could care less about it while I am on as long as he was there when i was off. I think it may be a permanent condition of natural e so I thought i might need permanent e aroma blocker. VDC what dose do you use

-the Colonel

 

[VDC]

.25mg ed,,,I've had erectile dysfunction for years(even before I knew what a steroid was),,,Cialis helps me,,,I'm allergic to Viagra,,,VDC

 

[the Colonel]

Does any of what i am saying make sense to you VDC. Does the arimi help in that dept at all

-the Colonel

 

[VDC]

Well it could be that you have naturally high Est levels,,,and doing any cycle would aggravate the condition by messing with the Test-Estrogen ratio,,,Arimidex should help,,,You should get a blood workup done,,,I'd consult with Swale on the HRT forum if I was you,,,VDC

 

[the Colonel]

Well it could be that you have naturally high Est levels,,,and doing any cycle would aggravate the condition by messing with the Test-Estrogen ratio,,,Arimidex should help,,,You should get a blood workup done,,,I'd consult with Swale on the HRT forum if I was you,,,VDC

Thanks vdc. I have talked with him along time ago but didnt have the money then to pay.