Looking for advice: Testosterone cycle for cosmetic/quality-of-life reasons (not bodybuilding)

Whether you think it's bullshit or not it did work for me and change my life. Went from sedentary barely able to get myself to work out once a week to having to force myself not to go 7 days a week because it was interfering with my life... heh. So while it may or may not help him, it is a big deal for many of us.
Yeah this is my thought. Maybe it’s that little push that puts me in a great momentum that spins on and forces me to be more productive which maybe snowballs into something good. But I would ofc if it has a lot of downsides. But I’ve heart 120mg/week pinned everyday with 100iu hCG everyday barely has any negative side effects.
 
Imagine what it could be if he got on a solid food and training program
Thanks dude yea I think you’re right actually. I’ve just for 10 years been back and forth to the gym and never found a long term momentum. I always blamed it on my self but now as I’m approaching 30 I thought I’d take into consideration some help but I think you are right. Just get the work out into my routine with no exceptions. LVHF something like that.
 
# youngsters ;)

When people are on gear, they also need to do all 100%, and to maintain also. Some think roids are miracle liquid's whaha
Of course, well the only thing I gave left is work out I already and food and is healthy otherwise.

But so everyone here is either on TRT for hypogonadism or BB, no in between? I just wanna look really good, feel really good and be productive haha
 
It seems like you are just looking for endorsement of your decision to start TRT (you aren’t the first). People are genuinely trying to help you, but you’re not wanting to hear what they have to say. You don’t have a hormonal problem, you have a motivation problem. You should be researching solutions to that.

Edit, to add some advice: Before getting on anything, get a personal trainer, or find someone to hold you accountable for going to the gym. Get a routine in place. In time, things will click.
 
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I’ve heard a lot of people who have normal testosterone take TRT and it helps them.

Stop listening to those people. You are equating apples to oranges. You are trying to force their round peg into your square hole.

Yeah this is my thought. Maybe it’s that little push that puts me in a great momentum that spins on and forces me to be more productive which maybe snowballs into something good.

It's been said several times already but you're not getting it. The person you are replying to was already testosterone deficient. YOU ARE NOT.

Let's break the word down. TRT = Testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. Notice it's not ENHANCEMENT Therapy. People that need it are replacing the testosterone that their balls should be producing naturally but for some reason or another they are deficient. Your balls are fine and would be even better if you got lean and started working out. Test does not suddenly give you desire to work out. These are habits you need to build through discipline and self-care.

If you want to do a cycle just fucking do a cycle. Stop trying to say it's TRT. You don't need TRT. Your QoL sucks because you suck. Address your suck, not your hormones.
 
I’ve heard a lot of people who have normal testosterone take TRT and it helps them.

If what you hear doesn't add up on paper, write it off as hearsay.

Normal testosterone + exogenous testosterone = "steroid use".

Deficient testosterone + exogenous testosterone = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

You don't need TRT because your levels are normal

And you don't need a steroid cycle because you have 100 other things to improve first
 
I’m just so fucking lazy it’s crazy I can’t get my self to go to the gym or do productive things after work. Ive heard testosterone might change that?
If this is true, the reality is you will just end up one of those guys at the gym who don’t look like they are on hormones and have blown their BP and cholesterol levels to hell for nothing.

Advice above is honest and direct. Get training and diet dialed in minimum of 1 year. Then try PEDs. Start conservatively. 250-500mg test / week

Also bear in mind, at your age with high natural Testosterone you are very unlikely to ever return to those levels naturally. Even with PCT.

B&C will become your life
 
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I have an idea of an option that "MAYBE" worth trying.
It's certainly a stupidity but it's less harmfull than a not necessary TRT

Some people up their own testosterone level with enclomiphene (I've already seen people double their level naturally)

If you don't feel like superman with that (spolier alert: zero chance) then the TRT will do nothing more. But at least you won't have stopped your own testosterone production.
 
What was ur levels before trt?
Before trt (im 47) my TT was 318 in my late 20s…. By mid 30s it was even lower like upper 200s, so it was a no brained for me.

I’ve tried clomid, reversed a vericocele, enclomiphene, vitamin D, power pct etc etc, nothing worked for me. I wish I didn’t have to do trt, it can become a pain over time. If I were you I’d do something like a test prop plus anavar for 8 weeks and try to cut fat, calorie restrict etc, then get back to base like natural T
 
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I'm coming to this after a few days, so I have the benefit of reading some of your replies. My feedback below is split between objective and opinion-based.

Objectively, you are not discussing TRT. TRT is a treatment for hypogonadism, which is both a deficiency in testosterone and the presentation of clinical symptoms. You meet neither of these criteria. What you are considering is recreational testosterone use. Being clear about that is central to making decisions in this area.

Also objectively, you should take these dose ranges with a grain of salt. There is substantial inter-individual variation in the injected dose and the resulting serum value. Both medical literature and the clinical rule of thumb put this number around a factor of 3. However, on average, 100 mg/week is the top of physiological testosterone level.

With that point in mind, here's the transition to the subjective: what do you care what your testosterone level is? I don't mean that rhetorically. What is that number going to tell you that informs your decision-making? What will you change if it's 800 versus 1300 ng/dL? If you're honest, I think you'll answer that you don't have any idea.

You're asking for the correct dose of the wrong medicine. You're here asking what the right amount of Tylenol is to fix your dry skin, and there is no correct answer aside from, "you're asking an ill-conceived question." Motivational drive is influenced by testosterone, but it's in the context of someone with a baseline motivation level noticing a drop when testosterone levels decline. Your baseline motivation is what you're identifying as problematic; testosterone will not affect that.

This isn't finger-wagging. I take testosterone specifically to put my levels higher than they would otherwise be as an early-40's male. It's partially vanity, largely a refusal to give up the hobbies I enjoy, and very candidly an inability to come to terms with the reality of getting older. It's not a great reason, but it's a clear reason, and it tells me how much to take: enough that I can go to BJJ, lift, and play recreational sports such that soreness doesn't impact my daily life. Then, I don't take anymore.

That relatively modest amount comes at a non-trivial cost. I pay out of pocket for bloodwork every few weeks and organ imaging once every year. I take medications to manage hair loss, blood pressure, and blood lipids. Because I take finasteride, in order to deal with elevated hematocrit, I can't donate my blood so I also have to pay for therapeutic phlebotomy; this is necessary because I've got a history of idiopathic clots that predates testosterone use. That means I am still on Eliquis even though I could probably otherwise drop off. I am also now fairly obligated to exercise, because if I put on some fat then I'll start to aromatize more and have to chase that with an inhibitor, and those are hard to dial in against a moving backdrop. So when I'm on call, I have to go outside to jump rope like a fucking idiot at four in the morning. It's not all that fun in December.

Do I have to do all of that? No. Do I have to do all that so my health and happiness aren't all worse off? Yes.

What feedback is going to tell you that you've had enough? When you get six months in and realize you still don't want to go to the gym? But you're inherently lazy -- you'll realize it's momentarily easier and less unpleasant to stay on TRT than it is going to be to go through the process of going off and restoring natural function. And maybe it comes back fully, or maybe it comes back decreased. Maybe you're one of the unlucky ones and it remains depressed for years or permanently.

You're asking about starting something that's going to take a lot more work to do right than just going to the gym. This is why everyone gives the advice to fix everything and have a solid foundation of diet, sleep, and training before getting into this. There is no free lunch.

Replace a tasty thing with some cottage cheese or a protein shake, get a caffeine-laden pre-workout to fake some motivation for the gym, and just go. It's way easier than what you're signing up for.
 
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