Low blood pressure

[Eddie.]

Hi guys, I'm dealing with low blood pressure and most of the times diastolic is low while systolic hovers between 105-113. I think i haven't seen once going higher than 115.

My usual average daily numbers are 107/57 and 65 RHR. The numbers shown in the pic i think it's the lowest I've been.

6 months ago when i was still natty my blood volume was low, HCT 42, RBC 4,56 HGB 13,9.

After starting 210mg test and 3 months later my HCT went to 45, RBC 5,1 and HGB to 14,9. I had the impression after raising my blood volume the blood pressure might fix and hover to normal levels but that didn't happen.

In first bloodwork my electrolytes were perfect besides potassium which was still in normal range but slightly above the lowest normal. I raised regular salt, i added potassium salt, I'm eating pickles and olives through the day, I'm drinking 1,5 gallon of water and still can't bring blood pressure up to normal.

I also accidentally let my e2 went up to 106pg/ml by taking too much HCG and still didn't experienced higher blood pressure or bloating.

Currently running 320 test 150 primo while on a deficit.

Do i have to start megadosing dbol or anadrol with deca to fix it? Lol.. I'd appreciate any thoughts.

 

[jdubzzz44]

More salt, less potassium is where I’d start

Get some Nutricost Pink Himalayan Salt Capsules off Amazon and take as needed

 

[Eddie.]

More salt, less potassium is where I’d start

Get some Nutricost Pink Himalayan Salt Capsules off Amazon and take as needed

That's what i thought too at first, but more salt (only) won't deplete more potassium? Because potassium is already on low levels.

 

[buck]

What negative symptoms are you having from the lower pressure? Long term studies show longevity tends to be better the lower BP is as long as there are no negative symptoms. Less pressure means les wear and tear and aging.

 

[narta]

What negative symptoms are you having from the lower pressure? Long term studies show longevity tends to be better the lower BP is as long as there are no negative symptoms. Less pressure means les wear and tear and aging.

This. If you don't have adverse effects, consider yourself lucky for such a low bp. Most fight the high bp.

 

[Eddie.]

What negative symptoms are you having from the lower pressure? Long term studies show longevity tends to be better the lower BP is as long as there are no negative symptoms. Less pressure means les wear and tear and aging.

Honestly not so much. I'm feeling foggy sometimes through the day and sometimes not so frequent i'm dealing with orthrostatic hypotension which is almost a step before fainting when i get up fast from bed, chair or after a heavy leg press set.

I was heavier by 75 pounds some years ago and then despite i was kinda obese my bp was under 130, so it was considered normal. I never had problems with bp in my life, i literally bought that omron device as soon as i started gear, to monitor bp because everyone says your bp will go out of range as soon as you start pushing dosages etc but in my case it hasn't come up at all until now.

I'm not dealing with any bad sides, the above i mentioned are not debilitating or very often. I just read that having a low bp it't almost as bad as having high bp and this has me thinking.

This. If you don't have adverse effects, consider yourself lucky for such a low bp. Most fight the high bp.

Yeah i know, i just sometimes think am i fortunate or having a low bp underlying the same issues as having high bp? I can get away easily with the severity of current sides, like fogginess sometimes, feeling kinda sleepy etc.. It's not that much, i just worry about if it's healthy or not. (asking opinions at least, i know this requires a doctor ha)

 

[jdubzzz44]

That's what i thought too at first, but more salt (only) won't deplete more potassium? Because potassium is already on low levels.

I misread your post I thought you said it was above the reference range. I would still increase sodium and make sure you’re getting the recommended amount of potassium a day

 

[buck]

Honestly not so much. I'm feeling foggy sometimes through the day and sometimes not so frequent i'm dealing with orthrostatic hypotension which is almost a step before fainting when i get up fast from bed, chair or after a heavy leg press set.

I was heavier by 75 pounds some years ago and then despite i was kinda obese my bp was under 130, so it was considered normal. I never had problems with bp in my life, i literally bought that omron device as soon as i started gear, to monitor bp because everyone says your bp will go out of range as soon as you start pushing dosages etc but in my case it hasn't come up at all until now.

I'm not dealing with any bad sides, the above i mentioned are not debilitating or very often. I just read that having a low bp it't almost as bad as having high bp and this has me thinking.



Yeah i know, i just sometimes think am i fortunate or having a low bp underlying the same issues as having high bp? I can get away easily with the severity of current sides, like fogginess sometimes, feeling kinda sleepy etc.. It's not that much, i just worry about if it's healthy or not. (asking opinions at least, i know this requires a doctor ha)

Just checking. My BP this morning was 101/58. RHR 58. But i felt fine and don't worry about it. My T levels a at the dose i an running right now has me at over 1500 but i am only doing 20mg/day.

 

[RaddishPork]

On a side note, Do you NEED the 1.5 gallons of water a day? Hydration is important but it’s possible to over-hydrate and mess up your electrolyte balance. That would easily explain why your sodium is barely in range. This wouldn’t cause the low BP though.

Low BP risks are usually less violent. Us high BP guys are worrying about strokes and heart attacks. The low BP “dangers” are the possibility of your organs not getting proper oxygen, bloodflow, and nutrition over time. But unless you’re getting lightheaded and dizzy I don’t think there’s a lot to worry about.

I’m pulling this stat out of my ass but I have to imagine people with high BP face the consequences much more often than the low BP folks.

 

[jdubzzz44]

On a side note, Do you NEED the 1.5 gallons of water a day? Hydration is important but it’s possible to over-hydrate and mess up your electrolyte balance. That would easily explain why your sodium is barely in range. This wouldn’t cause the low BP though.

Low BP risks are usually less violent. Us high BP guys are worrying about strokes and heart attacks. The low BP “dangers” are the possibility of your organs not getting proper oxygen, bloodflow, and nutrition over time. But unless you’re getting lightheaded and dizzy I don’t think there’s a lot to worry about.

I’m pulling this stat out of my ass but I have to imagine people with high BP face the consequences much more often than the low BP folks.

I agree with you and yes you can absolutely over Hydrate. The color of your urine will tell you all you need to know it should never be clear like water, it should always have a slight yellow color like lemonade if what I’ve heard to aim for.

 

[Eddie.]

Just checking. My BP this morning was 101/58. RHR 58. But i felt fine and don't worry about it. My T levels a at the dose i an running right now has me at over 1500 but i am only doing 20mg/day.

How's your hematocrite in general? Is it mid-low levels? Because until now i haven't seen anyone with high HCT levels and low blood pressure. Good to know I'm not the only one with that low levels.

On a side note, Do you NEED the 1.5 gallons of water a day? Hydration is important but it’s possible to over-hydrate and mess up your electrolyte balance. That would easily explain why your sodium is barely in range. This wouldn’t cause the low BP though.

Low BP risks are usually less violent. Us high BP guys are worrying about strokes and heart attacks. The low BP “dangers” are the possibility of your organs not getting proper oxygen, bloodflow, and nutrition over time. But unless you’re getting lightheaded and dizzy I don’t think there’s a lot to worry about.

I’m pulling this stat out of my ass but I have to imagine people with high BP face the consequences much more often than the low BP folks.

I think i do need that much water because firstly i weigh 235 at 6ft and second I don't force myself to drink that much, it comes naturally especially now where heat is almost 30 C* here already. I mean, I don't think i overhydrate myself. My staple is 1 gallon every day despite winter summer and workout days or rest days. Then depends on the heat, the cardio I'm doing and the calories i eat.

The paradoxical with me though is that I don't sweat much for the water I'm drinking. I never was.

 

[Eddie.]

I agree with you and yes you can absolutely over Hydrate. The color of your urine will tell you all you need to know it should never be clear like water, it should always have a slight yellow color like lemonade if what I’ve heard to aim for.

Yeah my pee has that slight yellow most of the times. I find it a bit clearer only after workout when i have already drank 500ml of energy drink, 1 liter of water intra and 1 liter post workout with creatine and supps. This is the only time it gets pretty clear, otherwise it looks clear with a tint of yellow.

 

[jdubzzz44]

Yeah my pee has that slight yellow most of the times. I find it a bit clearer only after workout when i have already drank 500ml of energy drink, 1 liter of water intra and 1 liter post workout with creatine and supps. This is the only time it gets pretty clear, otherwise it looks clear with a tint of yellow.

That’s perfectly normal and I also drink about 1.5 gallons of water a day at around 230lbs and I still am usually dehydrated in the morning

 

[buck]

How's your hematocrite in general? Is it mid-low levels? Because until now i haven't seen anyone with high HCT levels and low blood pressure. Good to know I'm not the only one with that low levels.



I think i do need that much water because firstly i weigh 235 at 6ft and second I don't force myself to drink that much, it comes naturally especially now where heat is almost 30 C* here already. I mean, I don't think i overhydrate myself. My staple is 1 gallon every day despite winter summer and workout days or rest days. Then depends on the heat, the cardio I'm doing and the calories i eat.

The paradoxical with me though is that I don't sweat much for the water I'm drinking. I never was.

My MCT/RBC etc. are a little above the middle of the range.

As for water i don't force a lot down 3-4 quarts these days. For years it was at lest 6 quarts. As it just flushes out to many mineral that i then have to get back in me. When i used a lot drink a lot of water i could weigh 4 pounds less in the mornings Now i am only about 2 pounds lighter and no signs of dehydration and my blood work shows the same thing. Drinking water all the time taught my body water would be coming in soon so it was always trying to get rid of it for the next batch to be processed and i was a good peeing machine. Now i drink less but more at any 1 time and am not sipping all day long. And i don't mind not being a peeing machine.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Us high BP guys are worrying about strokes and heart attacks.

Low BP is also a stroke risk.

 

[Eddie.]

Low BP is also a stroke risk.

Yeah, i guess due to lack of oxygen going in the brain? That must be rare.

Thing is for hypertension you have so many remedies, ancillaries, drugs and various methods to control it while for hypotension the only thing you can find is "drink more water, don't drink alcohol, wear compress socks (lol) and increase salt".

 

[RaddishPork]

Low BP is also a stroke risk.

Of course it is lol. This is why I’ve become slightly jaded to health risks (within reason).
As a man I’m statistically going to die of heart disease, cancer, an accident, or a stroke.

When people say “test can give you heart problems! HGH can make cancer cells grow faster!” …. I’m kinda just like yeah ok those things were already going to happen lmao.

I’d love to know how many deaths “caused” by steroids were guys who were already doomed to have a heart attack or stroke one day. Kinda like when I worked in a hospital and the morbidly obese, diabetic, lifetime smoker got covid and died of pneumonia, it was ruled a covid death.

 

[buck]

Low BP is also a stroke risk.

For those with symptoms of low pressure in general are the ones that may need to worry. But from reading low pressure is usually beneficial to longer life spans for most. If you have any info you can share about your post i am always interested in reading new info.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/0002-9343(73)90130-7/abstract#:~:text=Such%20excess%20mortality%20increases%20with,and%2070%20mm%20Hg%20diastolic.

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2016/11/lower-blood-pressure-empowers-longer-life

 

[Eddie.]

For those with symptoms of low pressure in general are the ones that may need to worry. But from reading low pressure is usually beneficial to longer life spans for most. If you have any info you can share about your post i am always interested in reading new info.

https://www.amjmed.com/article/0002-9343(73)90130-7/abstract#:~:text=Such%20excess%20mortality%20increases%20with,and%2070%20mm%20Hg%20diastolic.

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2016/11/lower-blood-pressure-empowers-longer-life

That's some interesting info man, thanks!

 

[karambit]

Low BP is also a stroke risk.

Not at OP's levels. It's only a risk if you have pathology or damage to the cerebral blood supply > Carotid in front and subclavian- Vertebral arteries situated in the back base of the skull. These segue to the Anterior cerebral arteries and middle cerebral arteries respectively .

Also if clotting factors are abnormal. Damage to arteries from High BP, diabetes, vasculitis or auto-immune diseases ( Lupus). Atherosclerosis and high cholesterol also are ominous for arterial-enothelial damage. These risk factors combined with abnormally high clotting facros impose a recipe for disaster.

Hemostasis is a way of the body to stop injured blood vessels from bleeding. One of the most important parts of hemostasis is the clotting of the blood. Subsequently, the body needs to control the mechanisms to control and limit clotting. These include dissolving excess clots that are not needed anymore. When there is an abnormality in any part of the system that controls bleeding, it can lead to hemorrhage or excessive clotting. These are potentially life-threatening.

Too much clotting can lead to stroke and heart attacks because blood clots can travel and clog the vessels. On the other hand, poor clotting can lead to severe blood loss even with just a slight injury to the blood vessels.

Clotting factors are components found in plasma that are linked to the blood clotting process. These factors are named and numbered based on their discovery. Though there are a total of 13 numerals, there are only 2 clotting factors. Factor VI was discovered to be part of another factor.

The clotting factors are Factor I (fibrinogen), Factor II (prothrombin), Factor III (tissue thromboplastin or tissue factor), Factor IV (ionized calcium), Factor V (labile factor or proaccelerin), Factor VII (stable factor or proconvertin), and Factor VIII (antihemophilic factor). Additionally, the coagulation factors also include Factor IX (plasma thromboplastin component or the Christmas factor), Factor X (Stuart-Prower factor), Factor XI (plasma thromboplastin antecedent), Factor XII (Hageman factor), and Factor XIII (fibrin-stabilizing factor).

The liver uses vitamin K to produce some of the factors such as Factors II, VII, IX, and X. Normally, vitamin K can be consumed through the diet from plant and animal sources. The normal flora of the intestine also produces vitamin K.

Lower blood pressures- 90/60 or lower will result in hypoperfusion , where in that the brain tissue is not perfused with adequate Oxygen and nutrients, eventually leading to cellular death. Of course this extends in to cardiac tissue/events and other organs as well . Older people >77 y/o suffer many times with hypo-perfusion, which leads to rapid cellular death, dementia and is touted as being a risk factor towards the development of Alzheimers disease. Blood pressures during sleep can drop to an alarming 80/55 or Lower!! This is why most doctors are in agreement that higher Bp > 145/90 to 155/95 is healthier in the golden years. Of course this depends on whether said individual is fairly active or mostly sedentary

I suggest bringing a Bp monitor to the gym or a wrist cuff, as another member mentioned and see if your pressure will rise adequately to supply the muscles with enough blood perfusion. 145/80 to 220/80 > during squats is totally normal.
Or if you forgo this process, you should pay attention to any dizziness or light headedness after a set.

If your heart is in good shape, you can use pressors such as ephedrine, caffeine, clen, yohimbine, modafanil etc..

Also, I dont believe you had mentioned wether you use Any BP medication, or cialis or other PDE5 inhibitors ? Arginine or Citrulline as well ??
Those should be avoided for now.

Keep us updated with blood tests - complete blood counts. B12, Ferritin and trans-ferritin