Luteinizing Hormone and Tren

[muscleslab]

Brief History: Three moderate cycles under my belt...once a year, 00, 01, 02. Dosoages between 500-750 on Test, D-bol 50, winstrol 50, Tren approx. 350mg/wk. I DID NOT use all at once, these are just the dosages for all the different drugs...two bulking cycles one cutting.

I am 24 and began having trouble after coming off my last cycle.

Test Results for Nov., 2004

Total Test: 325 ng/dl
Free Test: 10 pg/ml, range (10-50)
Luteinizing Hormone: 2.7 mIU/ml, range 1.5-9.3

Test Results for July., 2004

Total Test: 465 ng/dl
Free Test: 13, (range 10 -28) (The doctor told me that this increased markedly b/c the range decreased for that test?...make sense?)
Luteinizing Hormone: 6.2, range 1.5-9.3

The doctor told me that I was not likely to see anymore improvement in my levels b/c the LH value went up so much that if I wasn't producing more Test with such an improved value, then I was not likely going go any higher? Does that make sense to those here that know about this?

Also, in my most recent cycle I used Tren. Swale has mentioned on the board that Deca can have a permantent effect on test levels. Deca and Tren are both progesterinic (sp?), does that mean that Tren can have permanent negative side effects like Deca?

Finally, frequency and quality of my erections are still sub par...not a whole lot of morning wood andI ejaculate quicker still. Also, I have found that the quality of the erections increases if I don't ejaculate for a few days and it continues to get better if I leave it go for a week...does that make sense?

I know I asked a lot of questions, any help would be appreciated

Thanx

muscleslab

 

[mxim]

the fact that your LH is so high leads me to believe the hpta is working fine.the problem here is that your testes have become lazy due to all the cycles you have done.the fact that your T levels are still in the 400 range cause me to think everything is normal with the exception of a slight decline in your T levels. now,having said that,there is no way to know what your T levels were before you ever used AAS. mY GUESS IS THAT A FEW MORE MONTHS OFF AND YOUR T LEVELS SHOULD GET BACK TO WHATS NORMAL FOR YOU. remember,always use some hcg at small dosages during your cycles;this keeps your testes stimulates and are less inclined to become less stimulative to lh. if you really want to recoup,stay off for 6 months. my personal opinion would be to use 500iu of hcg 3x week at week 1 and 500iu per week for week 2 along with 50mgs of clomid per day. week 3,4,and 5 use only clomid at 50 mgs per day.wait 8 weeks and get tested again.
mxim

Total Test: 325 ng/dl
Free Test: 10 pg/ml, range (10-50)
Luteinizing Hormone: 2.7 mIU/ml, range 1.5-9.3

Test Results for July., 2004

Total Test: 465 ng/dl
Free Test: 13, (range 10 -28) (The doctor told me that this increased markedly b/c the range decreased for that test?...make sense?)
Luteinizing Hormone: 6.2, range 1.5-9.3

The doctor told me that I was not likely to see anymore improvement in my levels b/c the LH value went up so much that if I wasn't producing more Test with such an improved value, then I was not likely going go any higher? Does that make sense to those here that know about this?

Also, in my most recent cycle I used Tren. Swale has mentioned on the board that Deca can have a permantent effect on test levels. Deca and Tren are both progesterinic (sp?), does that mean that Tren can have permanent negative side effects like Deca?

Finally, frequency and quality of my erections are still sub par...not a whole lot of morning wood andI ejaculate quicker still. Also, I have found that the quality of the erections increases if I don't ejaculate for a few days and it continues to get better if I leave it go for a week...does that make sense?

I know I asked a lot of questions, any help would be appreciated

Thanx

muscleslab[/QUOTE]

 

[muscleslab]

Well, I have been off for almost a year now and things are definately not mormal for me. I cannot go back and use hcg, I can only try and fix the problem as it exists now. In my original post, perhaps I wasn't clear. I was tested in Nov. of 03 and I had come off in July of 03. I have been off for a little over a year now.

Anymore thoughts? Swale?

thanx

muscleslab

the fact that your LH is so high leads me to believe the hpta is working fine.the problem here is that your testes have become lazy due to all the cycles you have done.the fact that your T levels are still in the 400 range cause me to think everything is normal with the exception of a slight decline in your T levels. now,having said that,there is no way to know what your T levels were before you ever used AAS. mY GUESS IS THAT A FEW MORE MONTHS OFF AND YOUR T LEVELS SHOULD GET BACK TO WHATS NORMAL FOR YOU. remember,always use some hcg at small dosages during your cycles;this keeps your testes stimulates and are less inclined to become less stimulative to lh. if you really want to recoup,stay off for 6 months. my personal opinion would be to use 500iu of hcg 3x week at week 1 and 500iu per week for week 2 along with 50mgs of clomid per day. week 3,4,and 5 use only clomid at 50 mgs per day.wait 8 weeks and get tested again.
mxim

Total Test: 325 ng/dl
Free Test: 10 pg/ml, range (10-50)
Luteinizing Hormone: 2.7 mIU/ml, range 1.5-9.3

Test Results for July., 2004

Total Test: 465 ng/dl
Free Test: 13, (range 10 -28) (The doctor told me that this increased markedly b/c the range decreased for that test?...make sense?)
Luteinizing Hormone: 6.2, range 1.5-9.3

The doctor told me that I was not likely to see anymore improvement in my levels b/c the LH value went up so much that if I wasn't producing more Test with such an improved value, then I was not likely going go any higher? Does that make sense to those here that know about this?

Also, in my most recent cycle I used Tren. Swale has mentioned on the board that Deca can have a permantent effect on test levels. Deca and Tren are both progesterinic (sp?), does that mean that Tren can have permanent negative side effects like Deca?

Finally, frequency and quality of my erections are still sub par...not a whole lot of morning wood andI ejaculate quicker still. Also, I have found that the quality of the erections increases if I don't ejaculate for a few days and it continues to get better if I leave it go for a week...does that make sense?

I know I asked a lot of questions, any help would be appreciated

Thanx

muscleslab

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[Joe West]

hcg may still be able to help bro. id run it 2 months at mxims week one schedule.

Well, I have been off for almost a year now and things are definately not mormal for me. I cannot go back and use hcg, I can only try and fix the problem as it exists now. In my original post, perhaps I wasn't clear. I was tested in Nov. of 03 and I had come off in July of 03. I have been off for a little over a year now.

Anymore thoughts? Swale?

thanx

muscleslab

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[muscleslab]

Ok, Thanx.

muscleslab

hcg may still be able to help bro. id run it 2 months at mxims week one schedule.

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[dirtybird]

bump - I'd also like to hear more about this

DirtyBird