Max OT-Training (Need comments)

C-J;
I tried the max ot training and I gained a lot of results off of that program. Everything about that program might sound unreal, but I gained a tremendous amount of strength and about 10 pounds of lean mass. And i was not taking any thing other than the basic supplements. Of course my diet was the cleanest I have ever eaten.

Give it a good try and keep up with your before and after measuremnts and let me know how everything works out. If you have any questions about it, I might be able to answer them for you. Good luck!

Here is another link that may help you.

http://ast-ss.com/jeffwillet/RoadTo2003/DailyJournal.asp?display=training&jid=25
 
Thanks! I will drop ya a line if I need an answer.
CJ

cutup said:
C-J;
I tried the max ot training and I gained a lot of results off of that program. Everything about that program might sound unreal, but I gained a tremendous amount of strength and about 10 pounds of lean mass. And i was not taking any thing other than the basic supplements. Of course my diet was the cleanest I have ever eaten.

Give it a good try and keep up with your before and after measuremnts and let me know how everything works out. If you have any questions about it, I might be able to answer them for you. Good luck!

Here is another link that may help you.

http://ast-ss.com/jeffwillet/RoadTo2003/DailyJournal.asp?display=training&jid=25
 
Saying they are stupid does not help much...care to elaborate a bit more? From the testamonials on the site, the facts presented and what catsup has posted it seems to be worth giving it my all for 8-10 weeks to see for myself.
Thanks
CJ

Freddy said:
Its "principals" are stupid, but if you do that program and train hard, squat deep, and keep to it, you'll do well. Of course the 5x5 is better. :)
 
Like I said, the "principals" are stupid...you could have just taken my word for it, but here is a long, drawn out explanation.

The "principals":

1.) "Do not train for more than an hour, 30-40 minutes being the optimal length"

While it IS true that hormone levels "peak" so to speak during this time period, its also been proven that they will drop afterward REGARDLESS if you stop training or not. So even if you get your workout in during this tiny window, your test levels are still going to drop afterward. So you might as well continue working out. "Peaked" test levels aren't required to workout.

The best strength athletes in the world workout for 2-3 hours at a time. The Metal Militia are the best benchers in the world, with an army of 700-800 pound benchers. They train their bench press twice a week, once for 2 hours, and once for 3 hours. The Westside Barbell guys train 2-3 times in one day, 4-7 times a week. Louie Simmons, their coach, trains constantly all day everyday.

The best Olympic Weightlifters in the world train in 3 hour sessions, with 14-30 workouts per week. Now, I know these aren't bodybuilders, but all of these athletes are built bigger and better than most people claiming to be bodybuilders. I could go on and on here, but I have more "principals" to get to.

2.) "Train only 1 to 2 major muscle groups in a workout."

This is just horseshit. I could go on and on about why, BUT I think it would be funnier to prove that this program doesn't even follow its own principals!

Lets look at Monday, the lifts trained are:

Squats
Leg Press
Stiff leg Dead lifts
Standing Calf Raise
Seated Calf Raise

I'm not sure what the author considers a "muscle group", but he just prescribed a full body workout. Those lifts will train your quads, hamstrings, glutes, spinal erectors, calves, lats, traps, biceps, and delts. Thats clearly more than 1 or 2 muscle groups, and thats just the first workout. The rest are similar. Nuff said.

3.) "Do 6 to 9 total heavy sets per muscle group."

This is totally arbitrary. Its a function of the other training variables.

4.) "Do 4 to 6 reps per muscle group."

Again, same thing as number 3. I WILL say, this is a good rule of thumb, but it is by no means written in stone. I prefer this rep range myself, especially for strength training. But you guys are bodybuilders. One of the best leg routines for bodybuilders was the 20 rep breathing squat program, which uses only 1 set! I prefer 6-9 sets of 4-6 reps, but obviously its not necessarily correct!

5.) "Rest 2 to 3 minutes between sets."

Finally something that makes sense. This is a good rule of thumb. I won't pick it apart. A BETTER rule of thumb is, "rest as long as necessary to repeat your previous performance."

6.) "Train each muscle once every 5 to 7 days."

Total horseshit, and again, this program doesn't even follow its own advice. For instance, your hamstrings and quads are trained every 2-3 days. Your back muscles are trained 2x a week. Hell, on this program, you train your shoulders EVERY workout! 4x a week (not that this is a bad thing, its good)! Haha, I mean, c'mon!

For God's sake, did the author even read his own principals when writting the program? Anyway, those are some reasons why the principals are "stupid". I tried to be brief, I can go into greater detail if you want.

NOW, the reason why I DIDN'T originally say any of this, is because it IS a decent enough program. Fortunately, it seems like the author ignored his own advice and went on to write an ok program. If you bust your ass on it, you'll make some good gains for a while. Not forever, because its not a perfect program (nothing is). The problem is a great training program will acknowledge its own limitations and allow for change as you advance. This program doesn't...at least, if you follow its "principals" it doesn't.

But it WILL work for MANY intermediate recreational bodybuilders for a while. So I think it IS a good thing to try, as long as you bust your ass.

Now do you understand how my original post was a much better sumation of everything I said here? Brevity is the soul of wit...my first post summerized all this in a few sentances.
 
i used Max-OT for about a year....I was on no AAS and just using basic supps and eating very clean and often. I put on a good 25 lbs that year alone and actually lost body fat. To tell you the truth, I loved the program. I may think about goin back to it after a while just to change things up. Workouts always last under an hour, intensity levels are great, and strength really seems to go through the roof. I really enjoyed the program so if you have any specific questions shoot me a PM and id be happy to help.

on another note, I got to meet all the guys over at AST when I was at the USAFA. Jeff Willet is a big mother fucker. Paul Cribb and the other guys are some of the most down to earth and knowledgeable bastards I have ever gotten to talk to. I watched Willet do a arm workout....holy shitballs is that dude strong. Now im sure there are plenty of people who can do it, but I have never seen anyone rep 195 on a barbell curl for 6 reps. His fuckin veins in his arms look like they are gonna explode when hes curling.
 
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