meso/endomorphe type training

[Prsident]

I am between endomorphe and mesomorphe type, i train since 10-12 years, I start as a hockey player in a few league here in canada. After that i was into mountain biking, decide to turn into running and finally i am doing weight training since 4 years. I have the impression that my body is set to work in the endurance mode, even today i can run for 1.5 hours in a straight line with no prob. My problem is to weight train ,cutting on cardio and not gain fat. I put muscle mass easily but put fat easily too. My diet is fine: no alcool, no junk foods, no processed sugar,eat as often as possible( 4 high protein meal a day) I did a couple of aas cycle and each time i did nice gain but put too much fat who is really hard to loose. I began a test/tren/dbol cycle last week and do not want to add more bodyfat. Can i introduce 45-60 minutes cardio a day into my routine without reduce my muscle gain?

 

[Girth]

Of course you can. As an endo/meso you kind of have to. But all should implement cardio into their routines anyway. Even if you are an ecto.

More details on your diet might help. It sounds like you just need to alter your carb intake a bit. Also, I've begun to shift my opinion on the EAT ALL THE TIME dogma. But that's a long discussion. Put forth the effort of posting your daily regimine, and people will help.

 

[Prsident]

my stats
194 pound
5'9
13-14 %BF
I train for a long time in a multitude of sports.
Diet:

1st meal at 8h30a.m. 6-8 eggs, two wheat flour toast, orange juice
1st part training
2nd meal at 12h30 6(medium size) meat balls in tomatos sauce(low fat)
second part training
3rd meal at 16h00 one can of tuna in salad
4th meal 1 portion salmon or steak or white chicken with potatoes or brown rice
5th 2 portions of low fat no sugar pudding(2 cups of non-fat milk with )
This an example of a one day meal plan.
1st part training: 2 hours
2nd part:1 hours
Train 5 to 6 times a week
I know that's a lot , but due to my morphology type i do not have the choice(i do not want to put extra fat)
In the next coming weeks i will be forced to reduce or change the way i plan my training because of college and work.Since the beggining of my cycle(2 weeks) i did'nt do cardio and do 2-3 hours of weight liftingper day. I plan starting cardio this weeks.
I want some advice on how many hours to spend on treadmills?
Do not want to store fat and do not want to reduce my gains by doing too much cardio.
Any advice considering my morphology type?
By the way, after two weeks of cycling i already put 6 pounds. go from 194 to 200

 

[Ramstein II]

Yes, cardio done correctly will not reduce your muscle gains. That dogma is way overstated. Plus, you sound like you want to be leaner and cardio will certainly help with that. But, you sound like you are doing quite a lot of training. Be careful not to burn yourself out or overtrain. Personally, my leanness changed a lot when I started doing 30-45 minutes of cardio 5-6 days a week. I usually do it in the morning on an empty stomach and then wait a good 30-60 minutes to eat breakfast--a little something I learned from Bill Phillips which seems to work well. For about 45 minutes after cardio you're still burning fat at an faster pace, the enzymes are in the blood, the epinephrine is high, the metabolism is elevated. So for about 45 minutes after your session it's like you're still doing cardio. Phillips called it "riding the lipolytic wave."

 

[Prsident]

Yes, cardio done correctly will not reduce your muscle gains. That dogma is way overstated. Plus, you sound like you want to be leaner and cardio will certainly help with that. But, you sound like you are doing quite a lot of training. Be careful not to burn yourself out or overtrain. Personally, my leanness changed a lot when I started doing 30-45 minutes of cardio 5-6 days a week. I usually do it in the morning on an empty stomach and then wait a good 30-60 minutes to eat breakfast--a little something I learned from Bill Phillips which seems to work well. For about 45 minutes after cardio you're still burning fat at an faster pace, the enzymes are in the blood, the epinephrine is high, the metabolism is elevated. So for about 45 minutes after your session it's like you're still doing cardio. Phillips called it "riding the lipolytic wave."

That's what i was thinkin, thanx for your advice. I always thought that cardio is a must when bulking up, it improves vascularisation, reduce fat, elevate your metabolism . A bunch of guys think that you must reduce your cardio (30 min. 3times a week)when bulking, but i never heard of a pro bodybuilders doing just 30 minutes of cardio 3 times a week, unless is an ectomorphe type..

 

[Girth]

Few things.....first of all, I can't comment on total calories, as that's individual. But I will give you some guidelines to go with.

Ram gave some good advice about the cardio. I personally don't do it or anything on an empty stomach. But many find that it works. 2 hours of weight training, sounds like a great deal if you are working out 6 days a week. Even with the assistance that you have. If you are doing full body routines 3 days a week, then maybe 2 hours is fine. If you include them, OLY lifts take a while to complete due to the high number of sets.

As for the 6 lb. gain you experienced. That is simply glycogen and creatine and other cell volumizing factors due to the anabolics. It's not diet related per se. Now that I think about it, if you give me your new schedule based on the college and work requirements, and I'll see what I can offer with regard to the diet timing.

 

[beezil]

Pres;

Please keep me informed on your cardio performance while on tren.

I have run many tren e, and andropen cycles.... and had real problems keeping the cardio level up. Severe chin pumpsand shortness of breath are the norms. I reduced some of the shortness of breath by taking Bromo but the pumps did not go away. I use Cabaser for the prolcatin that Tren raises.

I keep the cycles at 550mg/wk Andro and Tren E at 300mg/wk
with ancillaries.

I love tren but hard to keep the aerobic level up when using.

 

[Prsident]

I'm on my 5th weeks of dbol(finish this week), tren, test and i can tell you that i had decrease my day spending on treadmill. Huge pump in lower back and legs and shortness of breath. I do now 2-3 times 20 min.of treadmill a week . my worry was to gain to much fat but with tren no worry