MK677 research

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The reversal of diet-induced negative nitrogen balance by GH suggests a possible therapeutic role for GH treatment in catabolic patients. A double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, two-period, cross-over study was designed to investigate whether MK-677, an orally active nonpeptide mimic of GH-releasing peptide, can reverse diet-induced protein catabolism. Eight healthy volunteers (ages 24–39 yr) were calorically restricted (18 kcal/kg·day) for two 14-day periods.
During the last 7 days of each diet period, subjects received either oral MK-677 25 mg or placebo once daily. There was a 14- to 21-day washout interval between periods. During the first week of caloric restriction (i.e. diet alone), daily nitrogen losses were similar for both treatment groups (mean ± SE; MK-677 group −2.67 ± 0.40 g/day vs. placebo group− 2.83 ± 0.26 g/day). During the second week (diet and study drug), mean daily nitrogen balance was 0.31 ± 0.21 g/day in the MK-677 treatment group compared with −1.48 ± 0.21 g/day in the placebo group (P < 0.01). MK-677 improved nitrogen balance integrated over the 7 days of treatment; area under the curve day 8–14 nitrogen balance response was +2.69 ± 5.0 (SE) for MK-677 and −8.97 ± 5.26 g·day for placebo (P < 0.001). MK-677 produced a peak GH response of 55.9 ± 31.7 μg/L after single dose (day 1 of treatment) and 22.6 ± 9.3 μg/L after a week of dosing compared with placebo treatment peak GH values of approximately 9 (treatment day 1) and approximately 7 μg/L (treatment day 7). Following the initial 7-day caloric restriction, insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) declined from 232 ± 25 to 186 ± 19 ng/mL in the MK-677 group and from 236 ± 19 to 174 ± 23 ng/mL in the placebo group.

Mean IGF-I concentration increased significantly during MK-677 to 264 ± 31 ng/mL (mean for the last 5 days of treatment) compared with 188 ± 19 ng/mL with placebo (P < 0.01). No significant difference in IGF binding protein-2 was found between the MK-677 and placebo treatments. However, the mean in IGF binding protein-3 for the last 5 days of MK-677 treatment was also significantly increased to 3273 ± 330 ng/mL (mean ± SE) compared with placebo 2604 ± 253 ng/mL (P < 0.01). Neither the serum cortisol nor the PRL response was significantly greater after 7 days of MK-677 dosing compared with 7 days of placebo. MK-677 (25 mg) was generally well tolerated and without clinically significant adverse experiences. In conclusion, MK-677 reverses diet-induced nitrogen wasting, suggesting that if these short-term anabolic effects are maintained in patients who are catabolic because of certain acute or chronic disease states, it may be useful in treating catabolic conditions.

The changes in nitrogen balance were accompanied by changes in IGF-I levels (Fig. 2). Following the initial 7 days of caloric restriction, IGF-I declined for each group from a mean of 236 ± 56 ng/mL to 174 ± 64 ng/mL in the placebo group and from 232 ± 69 ng/mL to 185 ± 53 ng/ml in the group that subsequently received MK-677 [P = not significant (NS)]. IGF-I increased progressively to 256 ± 84 ng/mL by day 3 of MK-677 treatment, then remained elevated through the last treatment day. The placebo group showed no change. When the mean value for the last 5 days of MK-677 treatment (264 ± 31 ng/mL) was compared with the mean value for placebo subjects (188 ± 19 ng/mL), the difference was significant (P < 0.01). When the individual daily values from days 10–14 were compared, the individual values for days 10–14 on MK-677 treatment were significantly greater than the placebo treatment values (P < 0.05). No significant difference in IGFBP-2 was found between the MK-677 and placebo treatments (data not shown). IGFBP-3 also increased significantly during treatment (Fig. 3).

MK-677, an Orally Active Growth Hormone Secretagogue, Reverses Diet-Induced Catabolism 1 | The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism | Oxford Academic

I think an interesting takeaway is that on a calorie deficit lowered igf-1 levels but the mk677 supplementation allowed higher levels of igf-1 despite the calorie deficit. So its not necessarily something that should be avoided on a cut.
 
Also, ghrelin rules

Ghrelin is a peptide that was originally isolated from the stomach. It exerts potent growth hormone (GH)-releasing and orexigenic activities. Several studies have highlighted the therapeutic benefits of ghrelin for the treatment of cardiovascular disease. In animal models of chronic heart failure, the administration of ghrelin improved cardiac function and remodeling; these findings were replicated in human patients with heart failure. Moreover, in an animal study, ghrelin administration effectively reduced pulmonary hypertension induced by chronic hypoxia. In addition, repeated administration of ghrelin to cachectic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease had positive effects on overall body function, including muscle wasting, functional capacity and sympathetic activity. The administration of ghrelin early after myocardial infarction (MI) reduced fatal arrhythmia and related mortality. In ghrelin-deficient mice, both exogenous and endogenous ghrelin were protective against fatal arrhythmia and promoted remodeling after MI. Although the mechanisms underlying the effects of ghrelin on the cardiovascular system remain unclear, there are indications that its beneficial effects are mediated through both direct physiological actions, including increased GH levels, improved energy balance and direct actions on cardiovascular cells, and regulation of autonomic nervous system activity. Therefore, ghrelin is a promising novel therapeutic agent for cardiovascular disease.

Ghrelin and the cardiovascular system. - PubMed - NCBI
 
I love the pumps it gives me but I’ll never be able to take it long enough to see a substantial raise in IGF-1: the lethargy and the poor sleep quality on it are killing me
 
Yeah I'm exactly the same. Once my bottle is done, I'm not getting any more. I need my uninterrupted sleeeeeeeep.
 
I hold way too much water on MK677 to use it during show prep.

The pumps and fullness are second only to insulin. Absolutely an off season bulking agent even if you're running GH. My IGF went up by 70 after 5 months of GH use at 4ius ED with 30mgs of MK added.
 
I hold way too much water on MK677 to use it during show prep.

The pumps and fullness are second only to insulin. Absolutely an off season bulking agent even if you're running GH. My IGF went up by 70 after 5 months of GH use at 4ius ED with 30mgs of MK added.

Regardless of the added IGF-1 purely resulting from MK677 on top of the one created by rHGH, I think Mk is always a good addition to rHGH, as the latter downregulates ghrelin by 30% or so.
My appetite is always really poor on HGH, that’s why I like the addition of Mk for the sole benefit of increased appetite.
 
Regardless of the added IGF-1 purely resulting from MK677 on top of the one created by rHGH, I think Mk is always a good addition to rHGH, as the latter downregulates ghrelin by 30% or so.
My appetite is always really poor on HGH, that’s why I like the addition of Mk for the sole benefit of increased appetite.
That first week of MK makes me feel like I'm starving and I want nothing but carbs. It fades for me completely after about a 2 weeks.

Good stuff though. I haven't found any negative sides from it other than water retention and that's not really a negative in my book if you're bulking. I've run up to 50 mgs ED for months at a time using raw powder I capped myself.
 
Poor quality sleep on 677? Most sleep better.

I would then question their self-perceived « sleep improvement », or question their source altogether.

Because Mk is an agonist of the ghrelin receptor. Ghrelin is an orexigenic neuropeptide that inhibits normal cycling between sleep stages, via its tonic and phasic action on the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus. Ghrelin release normally follows the circadian rhythm (tonic control), so your body has the lowest amounts before falling asleep, then ghrelin increases steadily before waking up to inhibit sleep. Ghrelin also increases before meal time (phasic control). Basically, if you gave anyone ghrelin, you expect them to be hungry and less able to switch to Slow Wave Sleep, the component of sleep that's important for cognition and memory.

Most people recommend taking MK 677 immidiately before sleep, which goes to show you how broscience dominates bodybuilding. If you wanted to enhance the physiological role of ghrelin you'd have to take it a few hours before waking up (like if you go pee in the middle of the night), immidiately upon waking, or before meal times. If you take ghrelin before sleep you WILL have poor quality sleep, fat gain, and arguably a temporary cognitive decline from less SWS.
 
No one said you had to take it before sleep, some do some don't. I'd recommend upon waking.

Regardless of when you take it, the half life is such that it’s still going to have a negative effect on your SWS
 
I would then question their self-perceived « sleep improvement », or question their source altogether.

Because Mk is an agonist of the ghrelin receptor. Ghrelin is an orexigenic neuropeptide that inhibits normal cycling between sleep stages, via its tonic and phasic action on the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus. Ghrelin release normally follows the circadian rhythm (tonic control), so your body has the lowest amounts before falling asleep, then ghrelin increases steadily before waking up to inhibit sleep. Ghrelin also increases before meal time (phasic control). Basically, if you gave anyone ghrelin, you expect them to be hungry and less able to switch to Slow Wave Sleep, the component of sleep that's important for cognition and memory.

Most people recommend taking MK 677 immidiately before sleep, which goes to show you how broscience dominates bodybuilding. If you wanted to enhance the physiological role of ghrelin you'd have to take it a few hours before waking up (like if you go pee in the middle of the night), immidiately upon waking, or before meal times. If you take ghrelin before sleep you WILL have poor quality sleep, fat gain, and arguably a temporary cognitive decline from less SWS.
We already discussed this and it's completely over exaggerated and false.

mands
 
We already discussed this and it's completely over exaggerated and false.

mands
IME MK has made my quality of sleep way better.... However, the hunger makes it almost unusable in many stages of dieting. I do like it, and think it has it's place in BB'ing. Never really noticed this crazy pump people mention, but I'm almost always using it during a growth phase where carbs and calories are higher, so I never have pump related issues.
 
Regardless of when you take it, the half life is such that it’s still going to have a negative effect on your SWS

Agree to disagree, but would love to see the studies proving your claim. Again most users claim otherwise, everyone reacts differently/uniquely however.
 
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