I would steer clear, before I found this site I was on one of those forums where it was nothing but sponsors trying to sell their stuff. All of those guys make their product look very convincing, with multiple fake accounts and pay off the admins to delete anything negative. I've been on those sites when someone posted a negative experience or being under dosed before it has been deleted minutes later. At best you will get under dosed products. Before I knew better I looked around those sites and bought some stuff from Olympus Pharma as they were the only ones that members were getting positive blood work from. I have it laying around incase I need to use it but really don't ever plan on pinning it. In conclusion, your best bet is to find a source not flaunting all over different forums. Good luck on your search, there are ugls out there that do care about their product.