My blood test results on 190 mg testosterone a week

[smartgear]

I'm using 190 mg testosterone a week. I will show you my blood test results. I tested testosterone, free testosterone, and estrogen (estradiol).



Yeah, I didn't get scammed as I assumed in my first post on this forum. This is a good thing.

80.60 nmol/L corresponds to about 2323 nanograms per deciliter.

Judging by these numbers, can you tell me if I'm a good responder or not? Is my aromatization rate high, low, or normal?

I'm not using any drugs for aromatase control.

And would someone explain to me, can I go further without using AIs? Different studies show different normal reference ranges, so I can't know what really is considered a high estrogen level. In my case, the reference range is 156 pmol/L, but ChatGPT said the normal range actually extends to 275 pmol/L. Does that mean I can increase the gear dose and go beyond 156 pmol/L without needing any AIs? Currently at this level (estradiol), I don't have any side effects at all. If 156 pmol/L was the limit after which the body can't handle estradiol, I should have gotten visible side effects by now, at 152 pmol/L.

And I'm not satisfied by the free testosterone level. I want it to be higher. If I start taking mesterolone, will I have more free testosterone and reduced aromatase activity?

My body fat percentage is around 15-18%. If I drop it, will aromatization and estradiol be reduced significantly or the reduction will be insignificant? If insignificant, I don't see a reason to do a cut phase right now.

 

[Xplicit]

There is a lot of overthinking in this post and no we cant answer any of those questions for you. This is a game in which experience is everything, we are all individuals. Only you can answer those questions with trial and error.

 

[smartgear]

There is a lot of overthinking in this post and no we cant answer any of those questions for you. This is a game in which experience is everything, we are all individuals. Only you can answer those questions with trial and error.

Well, I wouldn't call it "overthinking". I'm not afraid of potential side effects related to too much estrogen, but I'm simply curious to know the answers to the questions I asked.

And especially for mesterolone, I need someone experienced to explain me if it will help reduce aromatization and make more testosterone to be available as free.

And the next most important thing is to know what really is too high estradiol. I'm confused about this, because different sources show different reference ranges as normal. Is the 275 pmol/L figure provided by ChatGPT correct? If yes, I can add another 100 mg to my current dose.

 

[grey]

Judging by these numbers, can you tell me if I'm a good responder or not?

Your are fine for response.
Stop overthinking this.

Is my aromatization rate high, low, or normal?

High in my opinion.

I'm not using any drugs for aromatase control.

Use some.

And would someone explain to me, can I go further without using AIs?

Yes, but you shouldn't.

Does that mean I can increase the gear dose and go beyond 156 pmol/L without needing any AIs?

You can but you shouldn't.

There is no upside to running that "wet" already (some E2 is fine for mass but you don't need to be over 100) , running wetter than you are is all negative.

And I'm not satisfied by the free testosterone level. I want it to be higher.

Look dude, stop freaking out, run this cycle, record your gains, and THEN make decisions about changing doses.

If I drop it, will aromatization and estradiol be reduced significantly or the reduction will be insignificant?

Minor. Use AI.

Get control over your anxiety, relax, train, eat, come back after 12 weeks and asses your RESULTS, not you blood numbers, and not your feelz.

I'm simply curious to know the answers to the questions I asked.

Now the real proof is can you take the answers or will you continue to "ackshually" in response?

 

[xrayphoton13]

I'm using 190 mg testosterone a week. I will show you my blood test results. I tested testosterone, free testosterone, and estrogen (estradiol).

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Yeah, I didn't get scammed as I assumed in my first post on this forum. This is a good thing.

80.60 nmol/L corresponds to about 2323 nanograms per deciliter.

Judging by these numbers, can you tell me if I'm a good responder or not? Is my aromatization rate high, low, or normal?

I'm not using any drugs for aromatase control.

And would someone explain to me, can I go further without using AIs? Different studies show different normal reference ranges, so I can't know what really is considered a high estrogen level. In my case, the reference range is 156 pmol/L, but ChatGPT said the normal range actually extends to 275 pmol/L. Does that mean I can increase the gear dose and go beyond 156 pmol/L without needing any AIs? Currently at this level (estradiol), I don't have any side effects at all. If 156 pmol/L was the limit after which the body can't handle estradiol, I should have gotten visible side effects by now, at 152 pmol/L.

And I'm not satisfied by the free testosterone level. I want it to be higher. If I start taking mesterolone, will I have more free testosterone and reduced aromatase activity?

My body fat percentage is around 15-18%. If I drop it, will aromatization and estradiol be reduced significantly or the reduction will be insignificant? If insignificant, I don't see a reason to do a cut phase right now.

Why are you running 190mg/week? If this is for trt I would cut the dose in half as your results should be around 1000ng/dl at trough with free t in the 30s.

Your current levels are closer to some people running 500mg test/week. Your e2 is pretty high but if you don't have symptoms I may consider not touching it. My e2 is in the 70s when my total t and free t are where yours is. If it goes into the 80s I get symptoms. I can't imagine going up to 270 e2. That is going to be way too to high for probably anyone. I wouldn't listen to chatgpt. And your free t as high as it is didn't need to be higher to grow muscle. Your numbers are in a great spot for a cycle

 

[smartgear]

Your are fine for response.
Stop overthinking this.

High in my opinion.

Use some.

Yes, but you shouldn't.

You can but you shouldn't.

There is no upside to running that "wet" already (some E2 is fine for mass but you don't need to be over 100) , running wetter than you are is all negative.

Look dude, stop freaking out, run this cycle, record your gains, and THEN make decisions about changing doses.

Minor. Use AI.

Get control over your anxiety, relax, train, eat, come back after 12 weeks and asses your RESULTS, not you blood numbers, and not your feelz.




Now the real proof is can you take the answers or will you continue to "ackshually" in response?

Don't worry, I don't have anxiety. Yes, I will follow your advice about continuing the cycle. There is no turning back anyway...

What do you think about the 275 pmol/L figure provided by ChatGPT? If the figure is correct, that means I can safely add another 50-100 mg to my current testosterone dose.

My plan is to eventually slowly go to 500 mg testosterone a week. Initially, due to the absence of any side effects related to high e2, I thought I have good aromatization genes. Turned out the genes are not that good. But maybe my tissues aren't that sensitive to estradiol.

If I start taking 500 mg testosterone a week, my estradiol levels will be about 300-400 pmol/L if current linear trend continues. If I take 0.5 mg anastrozole, is there a chance for such a small dose to force my estradiol levels to go below the reference range? Can you tell me how often to take such dose? Is it every day or every other day or once a week? The dose must be according to my e2 levels, not just some random, generic recommendation.

Should I start taking the AI when estradiol goes above a certain level or should I avoid AIs until I start experiencing e2 side effects? Because if it turns out my tissues aren't sensitive to e2, then e2 wouldn't cause any side effects.

I'm a little bit fearful about using AIs because these things are neurotoxic and can cause bad issues. I prefer not to use them if I don't experience any side effects. My estradiol already jumped by more than 55 pmol/L since I started taking testosterone, and I'm having literally zero e2 side effects. I will increase the dose with 2 more milligrams a day to see if I will get any side effects. If I don't, then another 2 milligrams will be added. I will be doing this until I start experiencing side effects and that way I will know the e2 level after which e2 problems begin.

Recommendations are welcomed.

Why are you running 190mg/week? If this is for trt I would cut the dose in half as your results should be around 1000ng/dl at trough with free t in the 30s.

Your current levels are closer to some people running 500mg test/week. Your e2 is pretty high but if you don't have symptoms I may consider not touching it. My e2 is in the 70s when my total t and free t are where yours is. If it goes into the 80s I get symptoms. I can't imagine going up to 270 e2. That is going to be way too to high for probably anyone. I wouldn't listen to chatgpt. And your free t as high as it is didn't need to be higher to grow muscle. Your numbers are in a great spot for a cycle

No, it not for TRT.

My initial e2 was ranging from 70 to 100 pmol/L, and after the current increase, I didn't get any e2 side effects at all. Although my aromatization rate may be high, my tissues probably aren't very sensitive to e2.

And if from 200 mg I get levels some people need 500 mg to get, does that mean I'm a good responder?

I think I have to refrain from using AIs until I start experiencing e2 side effects such as water retention, acne, etc...

Your current levels are closer to some people running 500mg test/week

So from 200 mg I can get results that are generally considered to require 500 mg?

 

[Xplicit]

^ Exactly why I didnt continue to respond. Severe overthinking. He answered your questions and it triggered several more that are answered with... experience.

Everyone is different. Quit trying to make the basics rocket science. Trial and error. Deep breath, try to enjoy the ride.

 

[DECLAN]

I think Justing Harris said something about this, most of the successful bodybuilders are straight shooters, they do not over analyze and end up with paralysis by analysis. Don’t worry about the 10% and just get that 90% in check. Over-thinkers become coaches/trainers and those who can keep it simple end up pros.

If bad symptoms aren’t present and you’re making progress, then keep it the same, continue working and reap the benefits.

 

[grey]

What do you think about the 275 pmol/L figure provided by ChatGPT? If the figure is correct, that means I can safely add another 50-100 mg to my current testosterone dose.

Taking advice from LLM's is dumb.

But maybe my tissues aren't that sensitive to estradiol.

Once gyno hits you would regret that assumption since you have little experience and have just started. just take the AI.

If I take 0.5 mg anastrozole, is there a chance for such a small dose to force my estradiol levels to go below the reference range?

No. That said, you titrate your dose by getting another blood work panel done a few weeks or a month after starting your AI. Don't guess.

Can you tell me how often to take such dose?

See above answer.

The dose must be according to my e2 levels, not just some random, generic recommendation.

See above answer. Take the AI, do bloodwork, adjust if needed.

Don't worry, I don't have anxiety.

Coulda fooled me.