Busaganashi
New Member
Two weeks ago I posted my results on the t-mag forutm from my first ever cycle, limited to two weeks of 50 mg Tren + 50 mg Winny ED day 1-13.
To sum things up - increased kcals during the cycle to 4200 from 2500 precycle, started clomid at 50 mg ED day 14, at day 13 had gained 13 pounds without noticeable fatgain, went back to dieting at 2500 kcals (240 g protein) on day 14, at day 21 I had lost 10 pounds with dramatic muscular circumference decreases. My strength did increase significantly though, and seems unaffected by my postcycle period.
The main reason for me choosing 2-week cycles was Bill Roberts reasoning that they require less time for recovery, mainly due to supression occuring only at the pituitary level, and therefore dieting can start soon/immediatly after the cycle and continue for about three of the recommended four weeks off. This appeals to me.
Obviously I must have done something wrong, since so much of my gains were quickly lost. Some guys at the other forum adviced me to continue postcycle with calories still at maintenance or above, and delay my dieting phase until t-levels were back to normal. Now as Im planning my next cycle Im still interested in a 2-weeker, though with some modifications. So lets hear your opinions on this:
1. Stay on maintenance calories for the first week post cycle and start dieting the week after.
2. Frontload the clomid at 300 mg. Maybe my concentration didnt reach high enough levels quickly enough, and thus decreased my massretention. Should have known this. Duh.
3. Weekly injections of Primobolan ~300 mg, or Test Enanthate 100-200 mg on day 13 and the week thereafter. Cys latest article showed some arguments and references that endogenous production would still recover despite of such "bridging" androgen-use, and my thought is that this would enable postcycle dieting without inhibiting recovery.
Good or bad? What do you think?
To sum things up - increased kcals during the cycle to 4200 from 2500 precycle, started clomid at 50 mg ED day 14, at day 13 had gained 13 pounds without noticeable fatgain, went back to dieting at 2500 kcals (240 g protein) on day 14, at day 21 I had lost 10 pounds with dramatic muscular circumference decreases. My strength did increase significantly though, and seems unaffected by my postcycle period.
The main reason for me choosing 2-week cycles was Bill Roberts reasoning that they require less time for recovery, mainly due to supression occuring only at the pituitary level, and therefore dieting can start soon/immediatly after the cycle and continue for about three of the recommended four weeks off. This appeals to me.
Obviously I must have done something wrong, since so much of my gains were quickly lost. Some guys at the other forum adviced me to continue postcycle with calories still at maintenance or above, and delay my dieting phase until t-levels were back to normal. Now as Im planning my next cycle Im still interested in a 2-weeker, though with some modifications. So lets hear your opinions on this:
1. Stay on maintenance calories for the first week post cycle and start dieting the week after.
2. Frontload the clomid at 300 mg. Maybe my concentration didnt reach high enough levels quickly enough, and thus decreased my massretention. Should have known this. Duh.
3. Weekly injections of Primobolan ~300 mg, or Test Enanthate 100-200 mg on day 13 and the week thereafter. Cys latest article showed some arguments and references that endogenous production would still recover despite of such "bridging" androgen-use, and my thought is that this would enable postcycle dieting without inhibiting recovery.
Good or bad? What do you think?
