My first cycle

[killer8blade]

Hi,

I am a 29 year old male. I have been lifting consistently for 4 years now. I started at 100kg and bulked up to 115kg before cutting down to 87kg naturally.



My currant stats are: 6ft, 90kg, 17%body fat.



I train 6x per week. My goal WAS cut and achieve abs while looking as good as possible.



I am now day 13 into my first cycle. I am doing 2 injections of test e 2x per week. 250mg per injection. I am also taking 100mg anavar every day for 8 weeks. I will then stop the anavar, but continue with test e for a further 8 weeks. So that is a total of 8 weeks of anavar (6 weeks remaining, and 16 weeks of test e) I have clomid and tamoxifen for PCT which i will start to take 2 weeks after my final test e injection.


I originally wanted to cut but after posting on some forums everyone told me to drop the anavar, and just use the test e to bulk and not waste my first cycle on a cut.

So i have decided to take that advice apart from dropping the anavar. I am going to keep taking the anavar but have decided to bulk. My bulking numbers are: 210g protein, 385g carbs, 85g fat - 3145 calories per day. ( i beleive my tdee is ~2700)

my question is will i still make good gains. Would anyone change anything? I know anavar is typically used for cutting, but even taking it while on a bulk it will improve my gains right even if it is just by a little bit? it wont stop me from making gains right?

Any input, opinions/advice would be great!

Thanks

 

[Robfromga]

17%body fat is heavy, especially at 29.
Either your diet sucks or you don't know how to workout. You should have dialed all that in before you gabbed. But....

 

[killer8blade]

17%body fat is heavy, especially at 29.
Either your diet sucks or you don't know how to workout. You should have dialed all that in before you gabbed. But....

So ignorant. I have been manipulating my body successfully for the last 4 years. My diet is SUPER disciplined and i train HARD. I have gone from zero muscle and obease, to having good muscular definition and an athletic body.

I work out very intensely and hard and track every calorie and macro. Dont make assumptions.

Yes i know i am at the high body fat %, but i am still on my journey. I decided to start a cycle wanting to fast track results a little.

 

[wilbur858]

Waste of expensive anavar IMO. save it for a cut in the future. And 17% isn't very lean at all, optimal for growth is around 8-12% and after that you start partitioning alot more towards fat than muscle. But you should have taken care of that before your first cycle. Honestly at this point I'd just bulk it out without the anavar and either next cycle or before your next cycle get fucking lean so you can grow optimally.

If you have any questions on how to make your diet work with your goals HMU

 

[Robfromga]

So ignorant. I have been manipulating my body successfully for the last 4 years. My diet is SUPER disciplined and i train HARD. I have gone from zero muscle and obease, to having good muscular definition and an athletic body.

I work out very intensely and hard and track every calorie and macro. Dont make assumptions.

Yes i know i am at the high body fat %, but i am still on my journey. I decided to start a cycle wanting to fast track results a little.

At 29
If you were so "informed" and capable of "manipulating your body" you'd know that at those fat percentages you'll convert more Estrogen and put significant stresses on your body than at the 10% range.

So don't come in here asking how something looks, when it looks like shit, and try to sound all high and mighty. The facts are youre a 29 year old fat dude running gear that doesn't know shit from shine-ol-a!

 

[hurricane]

You've only been lifting 4 years?? And already want a fast track to gains. Why don't you actually put work in naturally for awhile. Lift for 10 years naturally. No fukin discipline anymore. You've barely scratched the surface of your natural limits. And decided your ready for AAS. And running var to bulk?? Adrol or Dbol cross your mind?? Fukin A.

 

[killer8blade]

I dont understand why nobody has answered my question! I will be doing my full cycle of anavar and test E... i will remain in a caloric surplus for the duration of my cycle.

All i have asked is will i make less gains using anavar as it is typically used for cutting.

 

[hurricane]

I dont understand why nobody has answered my question! I will be doing my full cycle of anavar and test E... i will remain in a caloric surplus for the duration of my cycle.

All i have asked is will i make less gains using anavar as it is typically used for cutting.

No. You won't make less gains. But anavar wasn't the best choice. I'd personally drop it and just run the test.

 

[killer8blade]

No. You won't make less gains. But anavar wasn't the best choice. I'd personally drop it and just run the test.

will i make more gains using anavar even if they are very subtle?

 

[hurricane]

will i make more gains using anavar even if they are very subtle?

Yes. Anavar will add strength and some weight gain. Not a ton. But it is a steroid remember. Being your first cycle you should blow up just on the test alone. Var will help but most of your gains will be from your test and caloric intake.

 

[killer8blade]

Thanks for the info dude

 

[Logan44551]

I'd also wait at least another week prior to starting pct. 16 weeks on test e is going to to take longer than two weeks to clear your system

 

[grey]

Yes. Anavar will add strength and some weight gain. Not a ton.

Cue him doubling his var dose.

 

[killer8blade]

So 3 weeks after my last injection i should start PCT? its actually 15 weeks of test e btw

 

[hurricane]

Cue him doubling his var dose.

Completely agree bro. 50 would be fine. Shit Dbol or adrol would be better. My first post was ripping him about using at all. But all the newer members think I'm always a dick(usually I am), because I try and keep them safe and responsible. I don't want any of you ending up like me. But no one wants to listen to reason.

 

[grey]

But no one wants to listen to reason.

True... I hardly bother with most first cycle posts any more for this very reason.. there have been a few good ones, but they are outnumbered 100:1 by posters with no business being around AAS at all.

 

[Leancuisine]

If you could manipulate your body so well, why are you fat?

 

[hurricane]

If you could manipulate your body so well, why are you fat?

Cold Blooded mother fukr!! I Love you man!! LOL

 

[killer8blade]

If you could manipulate your body so well, why are you fat?

SOOOO ... let me explain... while you spent your teens in the gym... i spent mine starting up two successful business'... i literally would just sit at my computer making bucket loads of cash and eating.... so while u built muscle, i built a business (and alot of body fat)... id rather be in my position having 17% body fat, and a good amount of muscle... having a queue of women wanting to bang me and a fat bank account.... than be some broke bum sitting there hating and attacking someone who is admitidley new to steroids just asking for advice.

swerve.

 

[grey]

. i spent mine starting up two successful business'... (followed by a bunch of gamma whining about being a Secret King)

You have money and spent 4 years of lifting without being able to get under 17% BF?

Pick from the list:

Not trying.

Don't know how to train.

Diet sucks.

You have no business dicking with AAS.