Nolva instead of Clomid

[deeznuts1972]

Wanted to hear from some people that have used Nolva ONLY for PCT and how they thought it compared to running clomid

 

[Patuba]

I usually only use Nolva and it works great.

 

[gersh]

NOLVA....

Tried them both seperate and together....


NOLVA.


Do a search...I'm sure you will find gobs of info on the subject

 

[Neodavid]

I'm in the reverse situation, going with Clomid rather than Nolva... Nolva is so breast area specific that it doesn't give the same bene's as Clomid (I speak as a newbie, so watch out for any advice inadvertantly give).

Since I'm apparently not as prone to gyno as I thought (taking primrose oil made all my symptoms go away), I figure Clomid is the better way to go.

Anyone have other thoughts?

Wanted to hear from some people that have used Nolva ONLY for PCT and how they thought it compared to running clomid

 

[chris gordon]

n4cer has a link to an article , on why nolva is better...i think its in his sig hold on and ill post the link

 

[chris gordon]

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/i6clomid.html



here you go bros....read it its a very informative article

 

[deeznuts1972]

Thanks for the link!

 

[einstein1905]

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/i6clomid.html



here you go bros....read it its a very informative article

Guys, this article is brought up about every 2 weeks, and it's no more accurate now than when it was written. It ONLY cites the few references that support his predetermined conclusion but ignores the vast amount of studies that show the opposite to be true. The durations of nolva use in the studies cited are also ridiculously long and impractical. If you want to know the truth (impartial), take a look at Pheedno's and LMR's posts on pct:
http://forums.anabolicreview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77

 

[Patuba]

Nolva is so breast area specific that it doesn't give the same bene's as Clomid

Do you have any proof of this? I've never heard the Nolva is breast area specific.

 

[einstein1905]

Do you have any proof of this? I've never heard the Nolva is breast area specific.

refer to the link I provided. Pop some ECA and get comfortable....there is enough proof there to keep you reading for hours.

 

[Patuba]

refer to the link I provided. Pop some ECA and get comfortable....there is enough proof there to keep you reading for hours.

The only part that mentioned Novla working was his summary. Plus it says IMO and he doesn't show any proof of it with his cited articles.


"Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs."

 

[deeznuts1972]

OK not sure if I should start a new thread but after reading that article and the PCT article that follows it I have some questions about HCG.

It the article ( and a couple others I've read) it suggests use of HCG at 5000iu per week for 2 weeks and 2500iu for week three. Many of the posts I've seen here say that running it at 1000iu per week for 2 weeks is enough. Any comments.

And those that use Nolva only. Are you just using 20mg daily or a higher dose and tapering down. Thanks

 

[einstein1905]

The only part that mentioned Novla working was his summary. Plus it says IMO and he doesn't show any proof of it with his cited articles.


"Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs."

Then you obviously didn't read through all the references. You also need to look at the durations used in the nolva studies......don't just take someone else's 2nd hand info as gospel without looking into it yourself. There is nothing to suggest nolva is superior to clomid over a realistic/reasonable pct period.


BTW, Pheedno's "IMO" means he's actually read the literature himself, as should anyone that feels bold enough to make an assertion as to which is superior.

 

[Neodavid]

Hey, I just posted a new thread on this question, hopefully some of the experienced guys will speak up on the subject. I covered the clomid question too...

OK not sure if I should start a new thread but after reading that article and the PCT article that follows it I have some questions about HCG.

It the article ( and a couple others I've read) it suggests use of HCG at 5000iu per week for 2 weeks and 2500iu for week three. Many of the posts I've seen here say that running it at 1000iu per week for 2 weeks is enough. Any comments.

And those that use Nolva only. Are you just using 20mg daily or a higher dose and tapering down. Thanks

 

[Patuba]

Then you obviously didn't read through all the references.

I've read his references yet again and it doesn't point out the Nolva works more in breast tissue. Perhaps you could point it out to me?

 

[einstein1905]

I've read his references yet again and it doesn't point out the Nolva works more in breast tissue. Perhaps you could point it out to me?

I'm sorry. You're right. The studies to show the tissue specificity aren't in that thread....they are somewhere in that forum, but I can't find them now either.
Here is another thread that has numerous studies to support clomid and alludes to the tissue specificity and binding affinity in pituitary ERs,
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=21805&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

Please try to ignore the giant ego that Dr. Evil is arguing with in the thread.