Odd blood work results, am I missing something?

[Usernamerequired]

Im in my mid 30s, on trt, cycle 1-2x yearly and try to keep myself as healthy as. I can given the circumstances. I have been on trt for around 5 years now, and I get lab work 2-3 times per year. The results are usually predictable.

I got my blood work black with some puzzling results. Previous blood work was taken 4 months ago, prior to swapping primo in place of Masteron. I have always had estrogen issues on TRT, regardless to the dose, so I have taken various amounts of arimidex in the past to manage this issue.

Regardless to how intelligent this is or isn’t, I’ve been trying 250mg/wk test eth for about a year with 100mg/wk Masteron. i dose every day with a .5in insulin pin to my glute (this seems to help manage e2 a bit). My labs were fine (predictable) 4 months ago, before I decided to swap to 200mg primo. I take .5mg arimidex EOD.

Notable changes:
Total T went from >1500 to 560
E2 was 43.4 now 8.4 (kind of expected)
ALT from 36 to 89
AST 33 to 40
C-reactive protein from 1.12 to 2.6
LDL from 99 to 150 (ratio from 2.9 to 5)
BUN 17 to 25
Creatinine 1.36>1.48 (for me, this level was around 1.26 12 years ago (early 20s) before ever starting anything)

The last two I can maybe understand, but the T level being low seems odd, and the LDL/ALT wouldn’t match anything I’ve read on primo. These are the worst values I’ve ever seen, even when on far more than this. As far as the low e2, I actually feel quite good at this level and I’ve had my e2 this low in the past, without any other unusual values. If my e2 creeps up, I start getting sides, at the previous 43, I had noted to try to lower it, which is why I dosed the primo to 200.

One thing to note is that I bought from a reputable source, and during this time used three separate vials, 2 dosed @ 100mg/ml, one @200mg/ml. Source is tested by japonik. Shortly after starting from a 100mg/ml vial(week or two), I developed might sweats akin to those of tren. Sweat the entire bed sort of thing, sweat through the mattress protector. The smell was acrid, and I had to wash my hair daily with bar soap twice to get the smell out. I also starting feeling cold often, where usually I keep my thermostat at 68/64, now 70/70. Upon swap to 200mg/ml vial, sides went away temporarily. Currently, I am occasionally sweating and smell is down.

Is there something I have missed about primo that would explain any of this? I thought maybe bunk gear, but my source should be good. Never had an issue

 

[malfeasance]

So when you say TRT, this is not TRT.

My suggestion?

Stop injecting everything for 3-4 weeks.

Then inject 100mg of test once a week. Retest your blood in a couple more months.

Keep up cardio and training, diet.

I bet your LDL is normal again, in addition to other values.

I mean, you were running 450mg a week of steroids for the last 16 weeks, and you were running a mild cycle for a year before that. You need a break.

You should not be surprised at what your blood test shows.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Color me surprised that your estrogen is crashed and other labs look poor. You’ve been at supra-physiological levels for over a year and now months with crashed e2.

Only surprise here is test level.

 

[JesterBOB]

Color me surprised that your estrogen is crashed and other labs look poor. You’ve been at supra-physiological levels for over a year and now months with crashed e2.

Only surprise here is test level.

What very strange analyzes these are, I also drew attention to what you were talking about.

 

[Usernamerequired]

What very strange analyzes these are, I also drew attention to what you were talking about.

Yes, my question is the testosterone. My e2 levels are where I feel best, go figure. I wouldn’t have posted the labs if it wasn’t for the T level… that’s just strange to me.

I can kind of understand the others, but this is my worst lab work.. just 4 months apart, and previous blood panel just off a cycle.. I’m not exactly new to this, and I used to go much harder just because I was stupid… probably still stupid… it happens

I wouldn’t expect primo, if it’s prrimo, at 200mg/wk to be worse than my usual 100-150/mg wk Masteron that I add to my 200-250 test. And if that is the case, I wouldn’t expect the test level to be in the shitter on 250mg test.

If that wasn’t on the panel, I’d be inclined to write it it off as the primo… but I’d have to have some strange reaction to primo for it to kill my panel worse than my last cycle … or any of my cycles for that matter. I should have made it more clear that the Masteron/T is what I run full time and cycle between. So the year included a cycle at the end for which I got labs … then I decided to swap the mast to primo and run labs.


i won’t do weekly injections due to e2 spikes. Long ester or not, my e2 stays in check better doing daily.

 

[JesterBOB]

In fact, we have an individual reaction to the types of drugs and their dosages. Each has its own working and effective combination of both drugs and dosages.

 

[Usernamerequired]

In fact, we have an individual reaction to the types of drugs and their dosages. Each has its own working and effective combination of both drugs and dosages.

Yes, and while it is entirely possible that my body reacted this way to 200mg of primo over 4 months, it’s highly unlikely. I experiment a lot and run a lot of labs. I can generally predict what my results are going to look like before I get them.

Id be more inclined to blame most of the values on dehydration than the primo… the tren like sweating and acrid smell is also puzzling, as I do not see this anywhere attributed to primo, and have never had this reaction with anything but tren. I hear low dose tren is the most common fake when it comes to primo…. As legit as the source is supposed to be, I’d be inclined to look into this before throwing my hands up and saying my body doesn’t do primo

The test level is the most puzzling, almost making me wonder if the lab could have made a mistake. I don’t see any way this would be possible, unless my shallow IM injections are somehow not being absorbed. With the amount of oil in the primo, I essentially had large oil deposits in my glutes and it was getting very hard to even find an IJ site … still can’t see this causing an issue

Of course, like anything else, I will turn off the primo, run labs, make sure my nutrition/water intake is good… then run primo again for another few months and test again… it’s just a time consuming process, so I figured I’d pitch the question. I had hoped I’d get some thoughtful responses, but mostly just “duh, steroids are bad for you”… one time my wife got a puzzling result and the lab couldn’t even understand… after digging and digging I found one 150 page study that had the answer. Nobody has all the answers, which is why a community like this exists, id imagine

 

[JesterBOB]

And such a question when you used, are you sure that the preparations were of high quality and the non-active substance corresponded to the labels.

 

[Usernamerequired]

And such a question when you used, are you sure that the preparations were of high quality and the non-active substance corresponded to the labels.

There’s no telling for certain. I’ve run the same stuff for years, my labs as well as everyone I know, are predictable as far as test.

As far as the other compounds, my side effects/results are predicable and expected. I’ve pretty much tried it all.

I swapped from mast to primo never having used primo. Unfortunately for me it’s my first go at this compound…. And primo is by most considered ‘side effect free’ (in comparison to others, of course). The source is supposed to be tested by a member here. Of course, batch testing is what it is.

The only way to know for certain is to send my samples off…. I was hoping to find someone that maybe had a similar reaction (in so far as the nightsweats, terrible smell, ect.) on primo. my first thought with those sides was it was fake… but then I found that my particular batch was tested by a reputable third party, so unless I believe everyone is just lying, it should be good.

There’s no single thing that would explain the panel (that I know of). That’s what’s got me so confused. Even if it’s tren in the vial, it would have to be extremely low dose for me not to be able to tell, and still wouldn’t explain the low t level.

 

[JesterBOB]

It's good that they ruled out the quality of the drugs. Perhaps some experienced guys here can tell you what your problem is.