Older guy creating another cycle. How's it look?

[Getadip]

Early 40s and have been lifting off and on for 20 years. 6 foot tall and probably sitting around 28% BF. Larger "power lifting" body type. Diet is pretty in check, not perfect, but not bad. Shooting for around 250g of protein per day at least. Hoping to start out strong and hopefully slim down a little around the end of this. Cardio 3 or more times per week. This will be my 3rd ride but its been a while.

Weeks 1 - 5 :

500mg Test C per week (250mg mon and thurs)
30 mg Dbol ED
0.5 mg Arimadex EOD
Mutli and Liver support supps along with Pre-workout

Weeks 6 - 12

500mg Test C per week (250mg mon and thurs)
60 mg Anavar ED
0.25 mg Arimadex EOD

Start PCT (Tamoxifen- 20mg /Clomifene - 50mg /Mesterolone - 25mg /Cialis - 5mg) 7 days after last pin. These came as a package.

I thought about HCG but not sure, plus I have to find it. My Test is in the 200 levels so I may be doing some kind of cruise forever between cycles.

Thanks for looking.

 

[Tren91]

This is recipe for disaster bro.You are nowhere near using AAS.You have atleast 15 reasons to not do it ,that i can tell you if you don't really know them.

 

[Gbro]

Diet is "pretty in check" but you're 28% body fat. That's not a "power lifting" body. That's just being a fat ass who eats too much junk.

Why all the AI with no blood work? After a few weeks on test, get your estrogen checked and then go from there. With your bf%, you may need more. Or may not. Only blood work will tell. Take too much and you'll be lethargic and burn out. Take too little and you'll be weepy and sensitive all the time.

You're already bloated from all the fried food you eat, dbol is going to make you look even worse.

Your whole plan sucks. Not trying to be a dick, just giving you some real feedback.

If I were you, and didn't know any better (like you), I would go on a serious cut while taking 200 test and 350 tren.

 

[Getadip]

Diet is "pretty in check" but you're 28% body fat. That's not a "power lifting" body. That's just being a fat ass who eats too much junk.

Why all the AI with no blood work? After a few weeks on test, get your estrogen checked and then go from there. With your bf%, you may need more. Or may not. Only blood work will tell. Take too much and you'll be lethargic and burn out. Take too little and you'll be weepy and sensitive all the time.

You're already bloated from all the fried food you eat, dbol is going to make you look even worse.

Your whole plan sucks. Not trying to be a dick, just giving you some real feedback.

If I were you, and didn't know any better (like you), I would go on a serious cut while taking 200 test and 350 tren.

Well thanks for the constructive criticism. I may not be as "perfect" as you are but I am trying. I do get bloodwork every 3 months due to my low T. What would you suggest. I know you will say do not do anything .. but what about JUST the Test C? Thanks

 

[Gbro]

Well thanks for the constructive criticism. I may not be as "perfect" as you are but I am trying. I do get bloodwork every 3 months due to my low T. What would you suggest. I know you will say do not do anything .. but what about JUST the Test C? Thanks

What would I suggest? I laid out a plan above. Reread it. I'm not being a dick. I'm just telling you what you need to hear.

 

[Btcowboy]

Instead of repeating all above, hold off running your cycle.

Get BF at least under 20% and lower is even better. Sounds like you may be on TRT if so that's all you need right now.

After you dropped the BF then consider a test only cycle, and AI as needed. Crashed Estro sucks.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

12 weeks of Orals, Dbol being one of them.
Not a good plan amigo

Dial in diet and nutrition, drop to 20% Like Btcowboy said, then think about a Test cycle
You're going to aromatise like crazy right now.
furthermore, dont just take AI without bloods.

Dont take another drug to combat a theoretical problem that may or may not exist.

More importantly
Do more research, TBH you dint know enough to start cycling

 

[Getadip]

12 weeks of Orals, Dbol being one of them.
Not a good plan amigo

Dial in diet and nutrition, drop to 20% Like Btcowboy said, then think about a Test cycle
You're going to aromatise like crazy right now.
furthermore, dont just take AI without bloods.

Dont take another drug to combat a theoretical problem that may or may not exist.

More importantly
Do more research, TBH you dint know enough to start cycling

Thanks for the info. I will drop one of them and shoot for sub 20% BF. I do blood work every 3 months. I just had it done last week. Everything was fine except for T levels. I have read alot of threads on here and got most of my information. Perhaps they were wrong too. For instance, the dbol the first half and var the last.

 

[Btcowboy]

Thanks for the info. I will drop one of them and shoot for sub 20% BF. I do blood work every 3 months. I just had it done last week. Everything was fine except for T levels. I have read alot of threads on here and got most of my information. Perhaps they were wrong too. For instance, the dbol the first half and var the last.

Are you on Doctor Supervised TRT right now?

 

[Getadip]

Are you on Doctor Supervised TRT right now?

Not at the moment. I was in the past but it was 100mg every 2 weeks. It moved my free and total very little.

 

[Rival]

I have read alot of threads on here and got most of my information. Perhaps they were wrong too. For instance, the dbol the first half and var the last.

I don’t think you read that here man. Most would only recommend 4-6weeks max on orals. Just because you’re switching from 1 oral to another doesn’t make it okay. Your lipids will be a mess.

Start pct (tamoxifen- 20mg /Clomifene - 50mg /Mesterolone - 25mg /cialis - 5mg) 7 days after last pin. These came as a package.

not trying to be an asshole here but if you really did a bunch of reading here, you’d realize that is WAYYY to early to start your PCT for an ester like cypionate. check out the sticky’s on the PCT forum and read it thoroughly, every page. There’s great discussion there on protocols, half life and bloodwork.

Stick around, do a lot of reading here and re-read. If you can recover from a cycle I wouldn’t just hop on a cruise if you didn’t need to. That’s entirely your call but I’d ride the PCT wagon for as long as I could.

 

[Btcowboy]

Not at the moment. I was in the past but it was 100mg every 2 weeks. It moved my free and total very little.

Yeah that sounds pretty low dose bet you felt like shit just before next shot.

If you are low there is not much point PCTing.

I would say see what your doctor says about recent bloodwork and see if theye can get you on 100 or better a week. Stick with that until BF sub 20%.

 

[Getadip]

Yeah that sounds pretty low dose bet you felt like shit just before next shot.

If you are low there is not much point PCTing.

I would say see what your doctor says about recent bloodwork and see if theye can get you on 100 or better a week. Stick with that until BF sub 20%.

Thanks man. I appreciate your advice.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

I can tell you from experience that running test and Dbol at that body fat % will most likely cause havoc with your estrogen especially with shit diet. Even dropping the Ebola probably wont settle down the e2. Estrogen loves a fat ass. I used to deal with estrogen sides like crazy when I was 25%+ now that I stay below 20% I don't have estrogen issues at all

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Fucking autocheck!!! Ebola what the fuck man. For the last motheruffing time ITS DBOL DBOL DBOL DBOL!!

 

[WDE]

Take 200mg test C a week and drop some body fat.

 

[Gbro]

Feel better now that everyone confimed what I said?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

If you are low there is not much point PCTing.

I would say see what your doctor says about recent bloodwork and see if theye can get you on 100 or better a week. Stick with that until BF sub 20%.

@Getadip The guys covered it but the quote from @Btcowboy is the simplest/best advice.

Steroids won’t burn fat and they won’t help you lose weight. They help in building muscle and guess what you need to build muscle? Food. See how running a cycle to lose weight is counterproductive.

Lose weight now. They said get below 20% but below 15% would honestly be better. You would see so much more effect from the cycle. It should be nothing less than transformative.

Put the work in. Get that diet totally in check. Drop the weight. Like 30 pounds of weight. You’ll look and feel bette. Get on TRT in that time and you’ll feel like you did in your 30s. I’m 45 and that’s exactly how I did it when I was in your shoes. The diet will build self-discipline that you need for this lifestyle.

Then run a simple 500 mg/ week cycle. Get bloodwork at the 6-7 week mark and dose your AI accordingly. Feel free to post that bloodwork here to get answers. Everyone’s here to help man. Good luck.

 

[Getadip]

@Getadip The guys covered it but the quote from @Btcowboy is the simplest/best advice.

Steroids won’t burn fat and they won’t help you lose weight. They help in building muscle and guess what you need to build muscle? Food. See how running a cycle to lose weight is counterproductive.

Lose weight now. They said get below 20% but below 15% would honestly be better. You would see so much more effect from the cycle. It should be nothing less than transformative.

Put the work in. Get that diet totally in check. Drop the weight. Like 30 pounds of weight. You’ll look and feel bette. Get on TRT in that time and you’ll feel like you did in your 30s. I’m 45 and that’s exactly how I did it when I was in your shoes. The diet will build self-discipline that you need for this lifestyle.

Then run a simple 500 mg/ week cycle. Get bloodwork at the 6-7 week mark and dose your AI accordingly. Feel free to post that bloodwork here to get answers. Everyone’s here to help man. Good luck.

Thanks for the sound advice. Very helpful. Sounds like a plan.