Once again kratom

[jJjburton]

Its been 50 days since taking anything. And today i decided to take kratom. I wish i felt like this and had this energy all the time. I feel I am still in PAWS from stopping use of substances 50 days ago. I still didfeel normal. I am taking kratom just today and tomorrow. But then I am not. I guess i am still struggling

how long does it take to feel yourself again? From ceasing use of everything.

i thought i would be good. I did a week of suboxone 20 days ago but hated it.

i am going to really give it my all and not take anything, even the gabapentin except at night for RLS because that shit is brutal.

how long does it take to feel normal again? It would be nice to have a margin of time, instead of a feeling it will never be the same.

I will be giving myself a shot, this shit is so fucking draining. I like the energy i have when i take kratom i get so much done.

i would like to feel this was sober, is that possible?

 

[Forthewin1123]

It took me a good 5-7 months to feel 100% ..my energy and mental health was great..
I don't know your story. I assume opiates since you mentioned suboxone and kratom..
I got almost 6 years sobriety..I only got it by putting all of me into that one goal!! I honest to God I put all of my focus and energy to doing anything and everything nessacary to get and stay clean.. shit was hell for the first 3 months.. got better after 90 day and alot better around 6 months ..alot better!!
Our brain takes time to fix itself.. dopamine and serotonin are a mess !! Takes your brain awhile to start producing those chemicals properly.. I compare it.to a.big cycle .. 2-3 gram total with deca and tren.... then come.off cold with no pct.. takes along.time.if ever for your body to get back to some form.of normal..
Drugs like suboxone or methadone and Kratom didn't work for.me.. they just prolonged my problem.. they.do work for some for sure..
I'm nkt sure what your area is like but maybe look into AA or NA.. I personally prefer AA.. older and wiser men .. or even a substance abuse counselor.. be surprised how much it helps talking about how you feel with someone who feels the same or has been there and got through it.. I did AA ..had a sponsor and it honestly got me through the forst 2 years and I slowly faded away from it.. I will go to a meeting once in awhile but not like I used to at all..
Like I said I don't know yoir story but if it's opiates you struggle/struggled with.. I promise you it will ruin your life..put you in jail or if your lucky kill you before all of that pain and suffering. I'm not preaching or trying to preach brother at all.. you have any questions or whatever message me.. i been through it more times then I'm proud of.

 

[cigardave007]

I'm not at all experienced in this bro. Hopefully other guys/gals can help you. Some very smart and articulate people here (And a few assholes)
Not going to get holy and all but will put you in my prayers.

 

[Someguy22]

You always hear people say just take it a day at a time, their not wrong. Don't focus on some deadline you or someone else sets for when you should feel better, focus on making it to tomorrow. Otherwise that day might come, you don't feel 100%, and you go right back to your addiction out of disappointment.

Tell someone who actually gives a shit about you and get them to check in on you. Shame is a half decent motivator, don't want to fail and have to fess up right? If your not into AA or NA can always join a subreddit i.e r/quitdrinking and get yourself a badge that and force yourself to reset it if you fail.

I quit drinking, smoking, and using opiates 7 years ago Oct 29. Never going back.

Quit a few times but not permanently. I find the first few weeks are a living hell, typically the first 3 days, at least in terms of brutal physical withdrawals.

The mental side effects are fucking annoying and linger forever. Forthewin summed it the timeline nicely. Totally worth it though. You will feel better. Remind yourself the beginning is the worst and you don't want to repeat that over and over again. Immediate benefits you could always remind yourself of are having more time and money (especially smoking, I spent hours smoking a day).

If you can be a functional alcohol / drug addict, when you get sober it's like turning the difficulty in life to easy. You'll eventually sleep better, think clearer, have a lot more energy, money, and time. The stuff at work and in life that used to frustrate you or seem so complicated becomes a fucking joke to deal with in comparison.

With that said, the cravings are never going to go away in my experience. I still crave alcohol to this day. Whenever it's a nice summer day out, I have something to celebrate, or mourn, alcohol is the first thing I think of. The thought doesn't last as long as it used it thankfully. Don't think about opiates or smoking too much fortunately, maybe because alcohol is so prevalent in society it comes up way more.

Best of luck to you!

 

[jJjburton]

It took me a good 5-7 months to feel 100% ..my energy and mental health was great..
I don't know your story. I assume opiates since you mentioned suboxone and kratom..
I got almost 6 years sobriety..I only got it by putting all of me into that one goal!! I honest to God I put all of my focus and energy to doing anything and everything nessacary to get and stay clean.. shit was hell for the first 3 months.. got better after 90 day and alot better around 6 months ..alot better!!
Our brain takes time to fix itself.. dopamine and serotonin are a mess !! Takes your brain awhile to start producing those chemicals properly.. I compare it.to a.big cycle .. 2-3 gram total with deca and tren.... then come.off cold with no pct.. takes along.time.if ever for your body to get back to some form.of normal..
Drugs like suboxone or methadone and Kratom didn't work for.me.. they just prolonged my problem.. they.do work for some for sure..
I'm nkt sure what your area is like but maybe look into AA or NA.. I personally prefer AA.. older and wiser men .. or even a substance abuse counselor.. be surprised how much it helps talking about how you feel with someone who feels the same or has been there and got through it.. I did AA ..had a sponsor and it honestly got me through the forst 2 years and I slowly faded away from it.. I will go to a meeting once in awhile but not like I used to at all..
Like I said I don't know yoir story but if it's opiates you struggle/struggled with.. I promise you it will ruin your life..put you in jail or if your lucky kill you before all of that pain and suffering. I'm not preaching or trying to preach brother at all.. you have any questions or whatever message me.. i been through it more times then I'm proud of.

Yes i just got ride of the little bit i had i just took tonight. I will give this a full shot. I am doing AA, 90 meeting in 90 days. A sponsor. At day 60 of the 90 meetings, but did slip with kratom 2xs for one night, and tried subs for 4-5 days then stopped.

appreciate the insight, my story is the same as every addict, so i am going to put my all into this. Even when i have no energy, i will be going to gym 2x a day as thats all i can do. I have no license so i walk everywhere even in the cold winter now.

as long as i know it will get better.

 

[jJjburton]

You always hear people say just take it a day at a time, their not wrong. Don't focus on some deadline you or someone else sets for when you should feel better, focus on making it to tomorrow. Otherwise that day might come, you don't feel 100%, and you go right back to your addiction out of disappointment.

I quit drinking, smoking, and using opiates 7 years ago Oct 29. Never going back.

Quit a few times but not permanently. I find the first few weeks are a living hell, typically the first 3 days, at least in terms of brutal physical withdrawals.

The mental side effects are fucking annoying and linger forever. Forthewin summed it the timeline nicely. Totally worth it though. You will feel better. Remind yourself the beginning is the worst and you don't want to repeat that over and over again. Immediate benefits you could always remind yourself of are having more time and money (especially smoking, I spent hours smoking a day).

If you can be a functional alcohol / drug addict, when you get sober it's like turning the difficulty in life to easy. You'll eventually sleep better, think clearer, have a lot more energy, money, and time. The stuff at work and in life that used to frustrate you or seem so complicated becomes a fucking joke to deal with in comparison.

With that said, the cravings are never going to go away in my experience. I still crave alcohol to this day. Whenever it's a nice summer day out, I have something to celebrate, or mourn, alcohol is the first thing I think of. The thought doesn't last as long as it used it thankfully. Don't think about opiates or smoking too much fortunately, maybe because alcohol is so prevalent in society it comes up way more.

Best of luck to you!

I lose sight of the one day at a time. Good point. I was doing so well. Meditating, gym, reading. Will be doing this again starting tomorrow.

 

[jJjburton]

The only thing i have is family, relationship, gym food, gear.

no job, no car, court. So i am litterally starting over.

 

[Someguy22]

When people go to rehab they don't have these things:

job, car, family or relationship (with them)

At least you have family and a relationship. Might as well make the best of it and take the time to beat your addiction.

At my worst I was sleeping on people's couches with about $3 to my name. Not the case today thankfully. You'll get there.

 

[Forthewin1123]

Yes i just got ride of the little bit i had i just took tonight. I will give this a full shot. I am doing AA, 90 meeting in 90 days. A sponsor. At day 60 of the 90 meetings, but did slip with kratom 2xs for one night, and tried subs for 4-5 days then stopped.

appreciate the insight, my story is the same as every addict, so i am going to put my all into this. Even when i have no energy, i will be going to gym 2x a day as thats all i can do. I have no license so i walk everywhere even in the cold winter now.

as long as i know it will get better.

Your onntje riggt track brother..I promise. Once.you start to change your perception of things ot gets better!!! It's gonna suck for awhile.. because now you/we habe to deal with the mess we made.. the emotions.. without numbing the pain.. I can promise ot gets better only if you do tje work to better yourself and your situation..it's like anything else.. you get what you put in.. do shit work you get shit results . It just takes time honestly.. 90 days seems like alot but it isn't.. takes time.. can't fix years of abuse in a few months.. I personally found the first year the hardest.. alot of shit to deal with..
I got addicted to the gym for awhile still am somewhat.. it's a healthier problem mostly lll

 

[Forthewin1123]

The only thing i have is family, relationship, gym food, gear.

no job, no car, court. So i am litterally starting over.

I came home from.prison.. and started using again. Was in a half way house..got kicked out of there. ..family wanted nothing to do with me.. didn't see me kids for 3 years.. no I half full custody!!
Having nothing sucks.. but it's better then dead or prison I promise.. fuck what.you don't have.. cuz when we were getting high we didn't care about any of that shit... so why care now?.. you got alot honestly.. family and food being alot!!.. find yourself a half decent little job and start rebuilding..
As you get more time you won't worry about certain things anymore..

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Oh triple J, why do you temp fate?
Leave all of that shit behind. You don't need it.

 

[Forthewin1123]

There's so much more to this forum then many realize.. we take time to help strangers daily.. youngot to have love for meso..

 

[Canknucklehead]

Stay strong bro

The gym was my sanctuary when I was trying to get sober... sometimes I would train two or three times a day just to get my mind off of things.

Take it one day at a time like everyone said here. You will thank yourself for it later.

And starting over is a second chance... look at it as a gift you get another go at things.

Good luck

 

[jJjburton]

Oh triple J, why do you temp fate?
Leave all of that shit behind. You don't need it.

There's so much more to this forum then many realize.. we take time to help strangers daily.. youngot to have love for meso..

I appreciate it alot

 

[jJjburton]

Stay strong bro

The gym was my sanctuary when I was trying to get sober... sometimes I would train two or three times a day just to get my mind off of things.

Take it one day at a time like everyone said here. You will thank yourself for it later.

And starting over is a second chance... look at it as a gift you get another go at things.

Good luck

I agree was just thinking about doing cardio one time and weight lifting another time. Gym is my safe haven.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Seriously it helped me tremendously.

I would do fasted AM cardio then weights afternoon and night if I needed another one

 

[All Nats McGee]

All the things Keatom does to the brain:

 

[Country Club Hero]

Hang in there pal. I’m about to start my secession from kratom too. I’ve taken 80 grams daily broken down into 2 doses. Every day. Never fail. I’m exhausted from it.

plan is to just taper a tiny amount every dose until I feel ready to drop it totally. Not looking forward to it. Would love to hear some things I can do to boost dopamine and seratonin as the misery from lack of kratom sets in.

 

[jJjburton]

Hang in there pal. I’m about to start my secession from kratom too. I’ve taken 80 grams daily broken down into 2 doses. Every day. Never fail. I’m exhausted from it.

plan is to just taper a tiny amount every dose until I feel ready to drop it totally. Not looking forward to it. Would love to hear some things I can do to boost dopamine and seratonin as the misery from lack of kratom sets in.

Dam i was on 50-60i took anytime i had to do something. It was stupid. You have a nice dose there.

i have researched crazy. Gabapentin is the only thing i know of that is not a narcotic that completely eliminates withdrawals.

otherwise 5-htp can increase serotonin. But once you stop it not increased.

Exercise is the only other option.

all the supplements i tried everything did shit when i was trying to come off 50 grams.

gabapentin, clonodine. Would be the way. I cant take any substances anymore.

otherwise i would use benzos, but i am a madman when i take them. Its awful.

For me the RLS is worst so gabapentin ill be using for a bit, as i suffer from RLS all the time.

Thing that sucks gabapentin makes me down. I am weak when it comes to this shit.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Dam i was on 50-60i took anytime i had to do something. It was stupid. You have a nice dose there.

i have researched crazy. Gabapentin is the only thing i know of that is not a narcotic that completely eliminates withdrawals.

otherwise 5-htp can increase serotonin. But once you stop it not increased.

Exercise is the only other option.

all the supplements i tried everything did shit when i was trying to come off 50 grams.

gabapentin, clonodine. Would be the way. I cant take any substances anymore.

otherwise i would use benzos, but i am a madman when i take them. Its awful.

For me the RLS is worst so gabapentin ill be using for a bit, as i suffer from RLS all the time.

Thing that sucks gabapentin makes me down. I am weak when it comes to this shit.

I understand how you feel. We’ll get past it. Gonna suck for a while though. Winter is depressing enough as it is lol