Overly "tight" and tensed from cycle - how long after?

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Did a cycle( eight one) with compounds I've used before, but not specifically this cocktail & doses:
The cycle was Test E, Primo E, Mast Prop. No AI, yes HCG.
The cycle worked fine, but after about ~6-7 weeks I simply started getting too "tense". My muscles would become overfly flexed and I got minor strains doing nothing. A tweak here, a tweak there. I didn't think too much of it, but then...
It evolved to the point of getting a small hamstring pull doing a moderate leg WO and an oblique pull doing Chins and a small pec-delt doing chest.
I said to myself: This was no good, so I stopped the cycle. But the effects were obviously not gone yet, and 2 weeks later I got an actual partial triceps tendon tear that now needs to heal. No disaster, but needs time and rehab. No surgery.

My subjective experience: The mix of Primo and Mast was too "hardening".Maybe too anti-estro as well. Not good. My muscles stopped feeling supple and athletic but instead felt tense, fragile, not "ready". I really did not expect results to be so different from previous cycles.

The last injections were about ~5 weeks ago, so I figure the cycle has probably not really cleared until recently, and I figure the effects on the muscles might linger a while

I gotta be honest: It's driving me nuts. I still have the "myalgia", like I might actually get strains doing even everyday kind of stuff, so I dare not really hit the gym currently. I tried electrolytes, fluids etc..no..the cycle was the culprit. And I am not injury prone otherwise or made of glass.

Obviously I am not the first guy to struggle with this. My question is: How long do you based on experience/observations think it takes for the body to return to something significantly more normal?

Short version: Cycle worked well size & gains wise, but muscles became too rigid, tense, cramped doing nothing, I got some injuries, now I am impatiently and anxiously waiting for the effects to clear & muscles to become more normal - how long might that take?
 
Hi, thx for reply. I have pretty good motion and mobility actually, always made it a point of emphasis. Buuuut not much soft tissue work, massaging, foam rolling and that kind of stuff for quite a while.

I've gained pretty quickly in the past as well on different cycles. I do not at all reject part of the reason was getting too big too fast... but it definitely feels "different "..?!?

I am dealing with some major personal tragedies and such currently so I really hope someone might provide some reassurance and experiences that this under any circumstance is not a "permanent" thing. I agree Mac11wildcat that I've also never heard of permanent structural changes like this.

My theory is still the cocktail is the reason. For example Charlie Francis didn't like Winstrol...caused too much hardening, cramps, injuries... feels like what these compounds did to my muscles, if that makes sense ?
 
Idk if that would be from gear.. Sounds like something else. Id see a doctor. Could possibly have something going on thats more serious.
 
Did a cycle( eight one) with compounds I've used before, but not specifically this cocktail & doses:
The cycle was Test E, Primo E, Mast Prop. No AI, yes HCG.
The cycle worked fine, but after about ~6-7 weeks I simply started getting too "tense". My muscles would become overfly flexed and I got minor strains doing nothing. A tweak here, a tweak there. I didn't think too much of it, but then...
It evolved to the point of getting a small hamstring pull doing a moderate leg WO and an oblique pull doing Chins and a small pec-delt doing chest.
I said to myself: This was no good, so I stopped the cycle. But the effects were obviously not gone yet, and 2 weeks later I got an actual partial triceps tendon tear that now needs to heal. No disaster, but needs time and rehab. No surgery.

My subjective experience: The mix of Primo and Mast was too "hardening".Maybe too anti-estro as well. Not good. My muscles stopped feeling supple and athletic but instead felt tense, fragile, not "ready". I really did not expect results to be so different from previous cycles.

The last injections were about ~5 weeks ago, so I figure the cycle has probably not really cleared until recently, and I figure the effects on the muscles might linger a while

I gotta be honest: It's driving me nuts. I still have the "myalgia", like I might actually get strains doing even everyday kind of stuff, so I dare not really hit the gym currently. I tried electrolytes, fluids etc..no..the cycle was the culprit. And I am not injury prone otherwise or made of glass.

Obviously I am not the first guy to struggle with this. My question is: How long do you based on experience/observations think it takes for the body to return to something significantly more normal?

Short version: Cycle worked well size & gains wise, but muscles became too rigid, tense, cramped doing nothing, I got some injuries, now I am impatiently and anxiously waiting for the effects to clear & muscles to become more normal - how long might that take?
Out of curiosity, what were your weekly doses of each compound?

When I first tried primo I ran it 1:1 with test it crushed my E2 and all of a sudden I had raging tendinitis in both arms. Similar experience with first time trying mast at 1:1 -- I almost tore my hamstring doing something relatively normal and it kind of freaked me out.

I've since run both primo and mast, separately with test and together with test. In either case, I like these compounds much better at 2:1 with test being higher.

IMO these DHT's, specifically primo, disrupt the nitrogen balance and affect electrolyte balances, more drastically in some people than others, and this effect is experienced with odd muscle cramping/spasms/tightness etc.
 
Out of curiosity, what were your weekly doses of each compound?

When I first tried primo I ran it 1:1 with test it crushed my E2 and all of a sudden I had raging tendinitis in both arms. Similar experience with first time trying mast at 1:1 -- I almost tore my hamstring doing something relatively normal and it kind of freaked me out.

I've since run both primo and mast, separately with test and together with test. In either case, I like these compounds much better at 2:1 with test being higher.

IMO these DHT's, specifically primo, disrupt the nitrogen balance and affect electrolyte balances, more drastically in some people than others, and this effect is experienced with odd muscle cramping/spasms/tightness etc.
Sounds exactly like what I encountered. Especially since the weekly total of primo and mast was a bit higher than test. Maybe around 300 mg test e and 300 primo e and 200 mast prop...more primo and mast than test definititely and unfortunately. Yeah feels stupid now but never had the issue before on other cycles. Didnt think it would be one.
How long did it take for your "tightness", the muscles etc to get back to normal? That overall feel

I need that supple feeling back that allows normal training and movement. Thanks a lot for replying!!
 
Xplicit and juicedhead > No, no GH or ABX.

What @Trades said is totally on point for me. The Q is how long it resides.
I figure the compounds haven't cleared fully until recently (primo E particularly).

But how long it takes after that for muscles , tendons & joints to become "supple" again.... ?
 
My muscles always feel tense on good tren acetate or if I’m growing too fast.

I’ve also had what y desrcribe kinda and injured my hamstring it was from the imbalance too much drying agents vs too little wet compounds
That can be problem if you continue training like a madman you will eventually injure yourself.

You learned your lesson now hop on a 500 test 250 deca some GH and enjoy your workouts and your bones.
 
Xplicit and juicedhead > No, no GH or ABX.

What @Trades said is totally on point for me. The Q is how long it resides.
I figure the compounds haven't cleared fully until recently (primo E particularly).

But how long it takes after that for muscles , tendons & joints to become "supple" again.... ?
Man it felt like a month or two before everything felt good again, and this was after a couple weeks of deload/rest. The tendonitis in one of my biceps never went away and although I can train around it, I can't train biceps like I'd like to and my form on pull days has to be perfect.

I agree with @AlwaysHungry to an extent -- everything feels better/more lubricated with nandrolone (for me), but it also makes me depressed, so there's that.
 
Man it felt like a month or two before everything felt good again, and this was after a couple weeks of deload/rest. The tendonitis in one of my biceps never went away and although I can train around it, I can't train biceps like I'd like to and my form on pull days has to be perfect.

I agree with @AlwaysHungry to an extent -- everything feels better/more lubricated with nandrolone (for me), but it also makes me depressed, so there's that.
thx for replying Trades
I figure also it will be a bit longer before it's good again but my guess is it's moving in that direction. The tightness/tenseness slowly going away.

Deca I've avoided, I absolutely do NOT want "deca dick" plus I do PCT and deca can be really rough with prolonged shutdown

Historically test, equipose, and some tbol and primo have worked very well for me. I need to return to that.
 
Did a cycle( eight one) with compounds I've used before, but not specifically this cocktail & doses:
The cycle was Test E, Primo E, Mast Prop. No AI, yes HCG.
The cycle worked fine, but after about ~6-7 weeks I simply started getting too "tense". My muscles would become overfly flexed and I got minor strains doing nothing. A tweak here, a tweak there. I didn't think too much of it, but then...
It evolved to the point of getting a small hamstring pull doing a moderate leg WO and an oblique pull doing Chins and a small pec-delt doing chest.
I said to myself: This was no good, so I stopped the cycle. But the effects were obviously not gone yet, and 2 weeks later I got an actual partial triceps tendon tear that now needs to heal. No disaster, but needs time and rehab. No surgery.

My subjective experience: The mix of Primo and Mast was too "hardening".Maybe too anti-estro as well. Not good. My muscles stopped feeling supple and athletic but instead felt tense, fragile, not "ready". I really did not expect results to be so different from previous cycles.

The last injections were about ~5 weeks ago, so I figure the cycle has probably not really cleared until recently, and I figure the effects on the muscles might linger a while

I gotta be honest: It's driving me nuts. I still have the "myalgia", like I might actually get strains doing even everyday kind of stuff, so I dare not really hit the gym currently. I tried electrolytes, fluids etc..no..the cycle was the culprit. And I am not injury prone otherwise or made of glass.

Obviously I am not the first guy to struggle with this. My question is: How long do you based on experience/observations think it takes for the body to return to something significantly more normal?

Short version: Cycle worked well size & gains wise, but muscles became too rigid, tense, cramped doing nothing, I got some injuries, now I am impatiently and anxiously waiting for the effects to clear & muscles to become more normal - how long might that take?

Oh snap!, I mean damn! (sorry, had to), that sounds like being trapped in your own body!

This is quite interesting and I don't think I've heard of such an extreme example before. On a first note it does sound like low estrogen, especially since it's your N'th cycle tendon/tissue strength shouldn't be an issue, besides, that isn't usually so extreme and systemic, meaning, usually one muscle gives away due to a too high load pressure. I presume since you haven't shared bloods you don't have any? Not that serum E2 levels would tell the whole story anyway, but if they were somehow rather high it could somewhat exclude low estrogen signaling issues.

Altered kidney function, altered electrolyte ballance and dehydration could also be a factor.

Inflammation could also be a factor. It can effect the strength of collagen connective tissues ... Did you do a hsCRP test?

As it is 5 weeks since your last pin, I presume you're somewhere half way through pct? If so, your estradiol should be back up and the hormones should be out of your system (the T1/2 of enanthate is around 5 days). I don't think going in to PCT was the best choice here for you. Just using test for a while without primo and mast would have most likely been the right decision. That would have increased your recovery, while pct being a low androgen and low estrogen environment is most definitely not helping.

Next time you should include more stats like age, bf, bloods etc. as this is a complicated situation you got here.

The question now is how to help you recover more quickly. Maybe GH? Although that alters electrolyte ballance as well due to directly influencing renal function however the increased collagen synthesis and repair would probably be of great benefit ... Hard to answer without knowing more about your blood work. What do you think @Type-IIx ? It's an interesting case.
 
Jin, thx for contributing.
I've historically gotten lots of bloodwork intra- and post cycle but it was not available for this one.

I've heard several "horror" stories now about mast (and primo) crashing e2. funny, never heard em before, now I see them everywhere. It makes sense... and the injury is not exactly a mystery. I was back to 250 lbs morning weight, and it came on too quickly too. Historically I've done more stuff like boldenone etc. So the cycle here was too quick. Got too big too fast and too strong too. Was doing WG pull ups with 12 lbs extra...that's almost 270 lbs load on wide grip pull ups and it happened on the last tough rep (12th rep). Arms were almost 20 inches.
Back in summer '22 I was down to about 200 lbs due to losing a close relative to the big C.

I figure this rapid gain coupled with the "hardening" from all the mast and primo means it's not a big mystery. I was surprised it came back SO quickly... I did not expect it. So a "positive" surprise bit me in the ass.

No other known health issues. Doubt kidneys are affected, eGFR has always been 90+ on each and every cycle and this last cycle was not harder than previous ones (just more stupid and too quick in), and I also was not doing enough test...).

I got elaborate labs just a few weeks prior to the cycle.

No use of other meds like anti biotics etc. And I've done all the AAS included in the last cycle previously with no issue, and doses were no higher here and duration briefer.

Currently doing HCG and libido is just fine. PCT wise I've recovered after every cycle.

I am mid 30s and only unhealthy habit is AAS.

BP has also always been good, even on cycle. like 117 over 65.

Just got my hear checked. All good. A bit enlarged but "normal", enlarged fitting to being 220+. All clear.

I'll get more labs especially if the issue continues but I doubt it will, it does feel like it is getting better. Any GP/PCP here will be clueless about it and just say "stop the AAS" (which I've done) and maybe do some labs but fortunately I have no specific reason to suspect some underlying organ issue or anything like that.

Again, thank you for contributing. All things need to be said out loud! Bc sometimes we overlook things. Appreciated.
 
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I also got the triceps tear checked. Near armpit like levrone got. Not distal, ie near elbow.
Sports med said medium injury, recovery in 2-3 months, full or very ample recovery expected.
 
Have you ever thought about getting several sessions of deep tissue massage? I know that Jay Cutler was a big fan of that. It really helps me because I tend get overly tense in my neck/traps/rear delts/rhomboids
 
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