Payment method?

[GAlax17]

Im about to place an order with a new source and they claim to use paypal/WU/bitcoin. I’m wondering how trustworthy you guys think they would be seeing how they take paypal. I’ve never seen any other online source take this form of payment however I would prefer to use paypal due to the relatively easy process compared to wire transfers and bitcoin transactions. Please let me know what you think...

 

[bob hughes]

Its essentially proof you made the order, assuming your paypal is in your name. If for no other reason, i would avoid. Not that other methods arent traceable..

 

[JohnLong]

Lol bit coin is so simple. I suggest you learn how to use that

 

[GAlax17]

It’s not that I don’t know how to use it, it’s just paypal is super easy and virtually 0 time. My friend owns a bunch of btc atm machines so I’m not worried if I have to use bitcoin because he can show me how to use them securely and he has a wallet I can use. I was just asking if you think he is a scam since he uses paypal... I don’t think the feds would bother coming after someone who was buying a couple hundred dollars of AAS.

 

[JohnLong]

It’s not that I don’t know how to use it, it’s just paypal is super easy and virtually 0 time. My friend owns a bunch of btc atm machines so I’m not worried if I have to use bitcoin because he can show me how to use them securely and he has a wallet I can use. I was just asking if you think he is a scam since he uses paypal... I don’t think the feds would bother coming after someone who was buying a couple hundred dollars of AAS.

Yeah I would stay away from any source accepting paypal. Even western union doesn't sound good to me. That's my opinion.
And you never know what your local LE would do. the post office will notify them if they so happen to find out what's inside

 

[GAlax17]

Yeah I would stay away from any source accepting paypal. Even western union doesn't sound good to me. That's my opinion.

Have you personally ordered online? What has your experience been and with what payment method did you use?

 

[JohnLong]

Have you personally ordered online? What has your experience been and with what payment method did you use?

Tbh I've only placed one order. With btc. Domestic got to me in 3 business days. Before that I would watch my friend place orders all the time. Which helped me understand how to use btc.

 

[Xlgx]

Cim

 

[JohnLong]

Cim

what that mean?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

what that mean?

Cash In Mail.

 

[bob hughes]

It’s not that I don’t know how to use it, it’s just paypal is super easy and virtually 0 time. My friend owns a bunch of btc atm machines so I’m not worried if I have to use bitcoin because he can show me how to use them securely and he has a wallet I can use. I was just asking if you think he is a scam since he uses paypal... I don’t think the feds would bother coming after someone who was buying a couple hundred dollars of AAS.

Yeah they probably won't, but at the same time I certainly don't want my fingerprints on a transaction that will be permanently tied to me in this digital age where information is readily available. Or I at least want to use the most discrete method possible

 

[bob hughes]

Lol bit coin is so simple. I suggest you learn how to use that

It's a bit of information to learn in the beginning, but really not that hard and once you figure it out it's super easy. I hear Monero is much more anonymous, so I'm planning to look into that although I don't think any or many sources except it currently in. I think it's even more volatile than Bitcoin though. And Bitcoin is pretty damn volatile

 

[biggerben69]

PayPal is great if you're buying from a friend. You can send money without a fee using paypal when sending money by selecting "Friends & Family". It's fast.
The issue for you is that you are buying from a source who may have a website or be a well known dealer. The paper trail is their.
If the source was to get busted his paypal account would most likely be compromised. Your name is there. Your info is out there.
PayPal is a pain in the ass for a source. PayPal doesn't like when there are cash transfers coming into an account from different parts of the country and world and then quickly withdrawn from an ATM. Once in a while is ok. It's when there is a pattern of newly transferred cash being yanked out in lumps of $400 or $800 at a clip.
$400 is the daily limit that can be withdrawn each day if you have a regular account. If it's a business account you can bump the limit to $900/day.
If the person/source in control of the account gets into the pattern of pulling the cash out to frequently it could be flagged as "Suspicious Behavior". He may or may not get a warning before the account is frozen. He won't be able to access any more cash or use it to pay bills etc. The account will be labeled as "Limited". The only reason the account isn't closed right then is in case there are any refunds that need to be taken care of.
Once a PayPal acct is "Limited", it will stay that for 6 months. After the 6 months are up the account will be closed and the name on the account won't be able to open another PayPal account ever again.
Any balance left on the account will be refunded to the person who had control over the account in the form of a check. There are forums on the web that deal with paypal and discuss options you may have when your acct is frozen for "suspicious" activity. It's very frustrating not being able to access your cash. I've been there.
I've spoken with guys that have had in excess of $20k in their paypal acct and who all of a sudden may as well have just blown it all at the track or casino. No matter what they come up with or who on the Chain of Command they speak with they get nowhere. Some folks use PayPal for everything. They have a paypal Mastercard/Visa and use it to buy groceries and pay bills. Its gonna be 6 months before they can get at that cash.
There are ways around the problem...or ways to get cash that won't get you flagged. One way is to get cash back at the different establishments you frequent daily. The USPS allows $50 cash back when you use the paypal visa/mastercard to buy postage etc there. The grocery store i go to allows up to $200 cash back when I make a purchase. These simple things have given an extension on my spouse's acct after mine was smashed. I had around $2k in it when it was frozen back some years ago.
There was a Class Action Lawsuit that saw a judgement against paypal a few years back that was centered around how the company would wield its power unfairly and unlawfully. I was pleased to read about that.
When it comes down to it, the person who stands to be hurt the most in the situation we're discussing, is the guy who is offering the convenience to potential customers....the source. He doesn't know the OP here. He most likely won't personally know any of the guys that will use it to buy the gear he's selling.
Anyone that uses paypal to purchase whatever it is he's selling has 6 months to get their money back. They can make up any reason they want to and they will be given their money back and there isn't anything he'll be able to do about it. It happens all the time.
Chances are you'll be ok if you choose to use paypal but why not get with the times?
PayPal can be a serious pain in the ass for any source using it with customers they've never met and with whom they have no relationship.

 

[Sk8man101]

PayPal is great if you're buying from a friend. You can send money without a fee using paypal when sending money by selecting "Friends & Family". It's fast.
The issue for you is that you are buying from a source who may have a website or be a well known dealer. The paper trail is their.
If the source was to get busted his paypal account would most likely be compromised. Your name is there. Your info is out there.
PayPal is a pain in the ass for a source. PayPal doesn't like when there are cash transfers coming into an account from different parts of the country and world and then quickly withdrawn from an ATM. Once in a while is ok. It's when there is a pattern of newly transferred cash being yanked out in lumps of $400 or $800 at a clip.
$400 is the daily limit that can be withdrawn each day if you have a regular account. If it's a business account you can bump the limit to $900/day.
If the person/source in control of the account gets into the pattern of pulling the cash out to frequently it could be flagged as "Suspicious Behavior". He may or may not get a warning before the account is frozen. He won't be able to access any more cash or use it to pay bills etc. The account will be labeled as "Limited". The only reason the account isn't closed right then is in case there are any refunds that need to be taken care of.
Once a PayPal acct is "Limited", it will stay that for 6 months. After the 6 months are up the account will be closed and the name on the account won't be able to open another PayPal account ever again.
Any balance left on the account will be refunded to the person who had control over the account in the form of a check. There are forums on the web that deal with paypal and discuss options you may have when your acct is frozen for "suspicious" activity. It's very frustrating not being able to access your cash. I've been there.
I've spoken with guys that have had in excess of $20k in their paypal acct and who all of a sudden may as well have just blown it all at the track or casino. No matter what they come up with or who on the Chain of Command they speak with they get nowhere. Some folks use PayPal for everything. They have a paypal Mastercard/Visa and use it to buy groceries and pay bills. Its gonna be 6 months before they can get at that cash.
There are ways around the problem...or ways to get cash that won't get you flagged. One way is to get cash back at the different establishments you frequent daily. The USPS allows $50 cash back when you use the paypal visa/mastercard to buy postage etc there. The grocery store i go to allows up to $200 cash back when I make a purchase. These simple things have given an extension on my spouse's acct after mine was smashed. I had around $2k in it when it was frozen back some years ago.
There was a Class Action Lawsuit that saw a judgement against paypal a few years back that was centered around how the company would wield its power unfairly and unlawfully. I was pleased to read about that.
When it comes down to it, the person who stands to be hurt the most in the situation we're discussing, is the guy who is offering the convenience to potential customers....the source. He doesn't know the OP here. He most likely won't personally know any of the guys that will use it to buy the gear he's selling.
Anyone that uses paypal to purchase whatever it is he's selling has 6 months to get their money back. They can make up any reason they want to and they will be given their money back and there isn't anything he'll be able to do about it. It happens all the time.
Chances are you'll be ok if you choose to use paypal but why not get with the times?
PayPal can be a serious pain in the ass for any source using it with customers they've never met and with whom they have no relationship.

Wow! Really great info/contribution man!
You should just copy and paste this in it's own thread!

 

[biggerben69]

Wow! Really great info/contribution man!
You should just copy and paste this in it's own thread!

Thank you. There are things about how we send and receive funds as well as how we receive those products and things about how sources SHOULD send them that I remember after they disappear out of my mind from time to time. I try not to leave things I state as fact without an explanation.
It popped in my head as i was typing a pm that i had left out such an explanation. Some may ask why is it a problem to withdraw cash that's been put in our paypal account? Its the reason why Western Union, MoneyGram, and now Walmart/Ria(The walmarts in my area do not allow pick up of any amount with it.) have reduced the amount of $$ that can be sent and picked up without ID and with a Test ? & Answer. I believe its down to either $150 or $200.
It's also the reason a couple of the more successful owners of recently sentenced to more time than we're used to seeing. For as long as I can remember the amount of federal jail time received by the main guys of any steroid selling operation was 9 times out of 10 no less than 2yrs but no more than 5yrs....and 3yr to 4yrs was the norm.
Talkin' bout Money Laundering.
A whole lotta years ago our Federal gov't that had become frustrated by some enterprising fellas who were seemingly getting away with murder(literally and figuratively). These men were heads of their respective (crime)families who were difficult to prosecute because it couldn't be proven that these men pulled the trigger(literally) in a murder that the gov't, and everyone else, knew they were responsible for. They didn't actually squeeze them(bullets) off, but if not for them ordering the murder it wouldn't have gone down.
Because of the Mafia and Organized Crime our gov't rewrote the laws of the land and in doing do began a systematical trampling of our Constitution and the rights our forefathers said all of us were born with.
Conspiracy laws call for a far less burden of proof be met than previously needed. That, coupled with much harsher prison sentences for those targeted in a federal conspiracy case had our gov't put away some nasty people who were far from being the hard working regular citizens that today are being prosecuted with laws meant for gangsters and mobsters.
Money Laundering was one of the laws that put away guys like Al Capone. RICO is often heard in the same breath. We saw dude from "Hulkster" who owned the top spot at eroids with a cash, or in this case, a monthly bitcoin payment.
Anyway, the "Hulkster" guy got 11yrs(I believe thats correct? Was it 9?) for laundering $2.8 million over a 3 yr investigation. It costs a lot of taxpayer money to keep an active investigation going for 3yrs. More than $2.8 million anyway. Was it worth all that $$ and manpower to shut down a lab selling gear. How the fuck could it?
The war on drugs is a masquerade. Its a cover for the war being waged against the very citizens our gov't was elected to protect.
Sorry.....every dollar that your source receives in his paypal account is technically laundered by entering that account and then leaving it by way of ATM or however its used or taken out of the account because it was sent to pay for illegal drugs provided by the source. That's what paypal calls "Suspicious Activity".

 

[bob hughes]

Thank you. There are things about how we send and receive funds as well as how we receive those products and things about how sources SHOULD send them that I remember after they disappear out of my mind from time to time. I try not to leave things I state as fact without an explanation.
It popped in my head as i was typing a pm that i had left out such an explanation. Some may ask why is it a problem to withdraw cash that's been put in our paypal account? Its the reason why Western Union, MoneyGram, and now Walmart/Ria(The walmarts in my area do not allow pick up of any amount with it.) have reduced the amount of $$ that can be sent and picked up without ID and with a Test ? & Answer. I believe its down to either $150 or $200.
It's also the reason a couple of the more successful owners of recently sentenced to more time than we're used to seeing. For as long as I can remember the amount of federal jail time received by the main guys of any steroid selling operation was 9 times out of 10 no less than 2yrs but no more than 5yrs....and 3yr to 4yrs was the norm.
Talkin' bout Money Laundering.
A whole lotta years ago our Federal gov't that had become frustrated by some enterprising fellas who were seemingly getting away with murder(literally and figuratively). These men were heads of their respective (crime)families who were difficult to prosecute because it couldn't be proven that these men pulled the trigger(literally) in a murder that the gov't, and everyone else, knew they were responsible for. They didn't actually squeeze them(bullets) off, but if not for them ordering the murder it wouldn't have gone down.
Because of the Mafia and Organized Crime our gov't rewrote the laws of the land and in doing do began a systematical trampling of our Constitution and the rights our forefathers said all of us were born with.
Conspiracy laws call for a far less burden of proof be met than previously needed. That, coupled with much harsher prison sentences for those targeted in a federal conspiracy case had our gov't put away some nasty people who were far from being the hard working regular citizens that today are being prosecuted with laws meant for gangsters and mobsters.
Money Laundering was one of the laws that put away guys like Al Capone. RICO is often heard in the same breath. We saw dude from "Hulkster" who owned the top spot at eroids with a cash, or in this case, a monthly bitcoin payment.
Anyway, the "Hulkster" guy got 11yrs(I believe thats correct? Was it 9?) for laundering $2.8 million over a 3 yr investigation. It costs a lot of taxpayer money to keep an active investigation going for 3yrs. More than $2.8 million anyway. Was it worth all that $$ and manpower to shut down a lab selling gear. How the fuck could it?
The war on drugs is a masquerade. Its a cover for the war being waged against the very citizens our gov't was elected to protect.
Sorry.....every dollar that your source receives in his paypal account is technically laundered by entering that account and then leaving it by way of ATM or however its used or taken out of the account because it was sent to pay for illegal drugs provided by the source. That's what paypal calls "Suspicious Activity".

Re: wu/mg - sounds like there's other major issues with them now as well. I believe the sources who usually pick the money up halfway around the world from the US have been unable to pick up the money recently more often than not

 

[biggerben69]

Here in the states with the introduction of the deep web....shit even Reddit can hook it up! Fake ID's are reasonably priced and are a reality for dealers/sources and anyone needing to pick up Western Union, Moneygram, or Walmart 2 Walmart. The employees/agents where funds are being picked up don't give the ID's a thought. The machine says it's good and the Id's look legit.
I don't know how things go in china or anywhere else. I've never had an issue. There is a limit to how many transfers can be picked up each month. They just have to spread them out.

 

[biggerben69]

The source will pay for the fake id and pay the receiver a flat fee or a % to pick up transfers. No worried.
The person who needs to worry is the re-mailer who gets paid to pick up/accept pkg's from China that have raw steroid powders and gh. Could not pay me enough to accept pkg's from China these days.

 

[bob hughes]

The source will pay for the fake id and pay the receiver a flat fee or a % to pick up transfers. No worried.
The person who needs to worry is the re-mailer who gets paid to pick up/accept pkg's from China that have raw steroid powders and gh. Could not pay me enough to accept pkg's from China these days.

I hear you, and with all the packs getting snagged more and more people are turning to us domestic, and there's so few us domestic shops that they're getting overrun it seems. Huge demand and limited Supply will not be a good thing for the end-user.

 

[biggerben69]

Plenty of good labs domestically. Timing is fucked at the moment.
Customs is the worst it's been...ever..and we're getting close to the end of the Chinese Holiday. Nothing has shipped since the first of this month. The all clear should be sounding now. Going to be a few days until they can catch up and get the backed up pkg's out.