PCT requirement for 1-andro/4-andro cycle

[demonfox]

i am gonna start my first PH cycle in mid july. gonna do 6 weeks of 1-andro (Super Mandro by Hard Rock supps) 330mg ed and 4-andro (Andro the giant by Hard Rock supps) 110mg ed. I might up the dosage of 1-andro to 440 mid way to my cycle but not 4-andro since i have pubertal gyno and dont want to risk having it. Also I wont start taking 4-andro until i start feeling lethargic during my cycle and im guessing that might start from week 2 or 3. i will also be taking liver support during the cycle.

my question is what kind of pct is required for this cycle. right now i have Finaflex Revolution PCT on hand and its supp facts are as follows:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

Arimistane (99.9% HPLC Verified Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione)
50 mg

Testosterone Amplification Blend:
D-Aspartic Acid (DAA), Fenugreek (50% Fenuside), Eurycoma longfolia
325 mg

Liver Enzyme Regulation Matrix:
NAC (n-Acetyl-Cysteine), Milk Thistle (80% Silymarin), Vitamin C
175 mg

Prostate Shield:
Saw Palmetto, Pygeum Africanum Bark Extract, Stinging Nettle, Lycopene, Lycopene, Selenium
180 mg

Cardiovascular Support:
Red Yeast Rice, CoQ10
100 mg

should i be taking nolva/clomid? im not really taking any test e/cyp and the only test based product that i will be taking is just 4-andro and thats even only 110mg starting from 2nd or 3rd week.
any help will be appreciated

 

[demonfox]

any help?

 

[TyroneMoreGains]

is there a particular reason you'd rather shut yourself down with a PH cycle rather than an actual Test E cycle?

 

[Ozzy619]

I think somebody visited the local GNC expert and got the hook up

This is going to sound kinda dickish but with all that money you spent on useless junk you could have had a sick cycle.

 

[Ozzy619]

i am gonna start my first PH cycle in mid july. gonna do 6 weeks of 1-andro (Super Mandro by Hard Rock supps) 330mg ed and 4-andro (Andro the giant by Hard Rock supps) 110mg ed. I might up the dosage of 1-andro to 440 mid way to my cycle but not 4-andro since i have pubertal gyno and dont want to risk having it. Also I wont start taking 4-andro until i start feeling lethargic during my cycle and im guessing that might start from week 2 or 3. i will also be taking liver support during the cycle.

my question is what kind of pct is required for this cycle. right now i have Finaflex Revolution PCT on hand and its supp facts are as follows:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

Arimistane (99.9% HPLC Verified Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione)
50 mg

Testosterone Amplification Blend:
D-Aspartic Acid (DAA), Fenugreek (50% Fenuside), Eurycoma longfolia
325 mg

Liver Enzyme Regulation Matrix:
NAC (n-Acetyl-Cysteine), Milk Thistle (80% Silymarin), Vitamin C
175 mg

Prostate Shield:
Saw Palmetto, Pygeum Africanum Bark Extract, Stinging Nettle, Lycopene, Lycopene, Selenium
180 mg

Cardiovascular Support:
Red Yeast Rice, CoQ10
100 mg

should i be taking nolva/clomid? im not really taking any test e/cyp and the only test based product that i will be taking is just 4-andro and thats even only 110mg starting from 2nd or 3rd week.
any help will be appreciated

Shut down is shut down regardless of what you took. A ph is a precursor which converts to the desired hormone while inside the body. So yes, you would still follow proper pct protocol. Btw a ph has a ceiling of effectiveness, theres a certain point in which it will no longer be beneficial to take more than a desired amount, so upping your dose will do nothing but hurt your health.

 

[demonfox]

thanks for all the feedbacks. i know test is obviously the most efficient way to go but there are some reasons as to why i chose to get the ph
the reason i didnt go for actual test is because i dont want my roommate to find out in any way that i might be pinning. not just the fact that he might find the needles but also the fact that if i actually did a cycle with test, there would be a noticeable size difference in a short period of time and he would definitely suspect something.
and about shutting down, it would have happened regardless of taking ph or test. so i went the route of ph cause this 1-andro doesnt produce as much size gains, since it wont be cycled for as long and personally, im not looking to gain 10lbs of muscle in 6 weeks. i'll be happy if after pct i can gain 5lbs. and also the fact that i can just hide the pills in ordinary medication bottles so i wont have to worry about him finding out

so my question is, is the pct supp that i have mentioned good? i will also be taking daa supp

 

[TyroneMoreGains]

thanks for all the feedbacks. i know test is obviously the most efficient way to go but there are some reasons as to why i chose to get the ph
the reason i didnt go for actual test is because i dont want my roommate to find out in any way that i might be pinning. not just the fact that he might find the needles but also the fact that if i actually did a cycle with test, there would be a noticeable size difference in a short period of time and he would definitely suspect something.
and about shutting down, it would have happened regardless of taking ph or test. so i went the route of ph cause this 1-andro doesnt produce as much size gains, since it wont be cycled for as long and personally, im not looking to gain 10lbs of muscle in 6 weeks. i'll be happy if after pct i can gain 5lbs. and also the fact that i can just hide the pills in ordinary medication bottles so i wont have to worry about him finding out

so my question is, is the pct supp that i have mentioned good? i will also be taking daa supp

That PCT supplement will do nothing to restart your HPTA

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

You need Nolva or Clomid or both and if you're going to waste your time on a pro hormone cycle you should at least toss in something methylated like Halodrol

 

[Xlgx]

Also running 4andro and epiandro. Taking on cycle support. Liv52 and tudca. Taking extra zinc. Once the cycle is over will take additional zinc and clomid. Perhaps dhea after the clomid is done.

 

[demonfox]

i can see how you might need clomid for 4-andro but my main ph will be 1-andro and since it doesnt convert to estrogen, and also since i wont be taking in much test (4-andro) i dont think i will need clomid
so i think ill go with nolva for my pct
does anyone know a good source for nolva?

 

[Ozzy619]

thanks for all the feedbacks. i know test is obviously the most efficient way to go but there are some reasons as to why i chose to get the ph
the reason i didnt go for actual test is because i dont want my roommate to find out in any way that i might be pinning. not just the fact that he might find the needles but also the fact that if i actually did a cycle with test, there would be a noticeable size difference in a short period of time and he would definitely suspect something.
and about shutting down, it would have happened regardless of taking ph or test. so i went the route of ph cause this 1-andro doesnt produce as much size gains, since it wont be cycled for as long and personally, im not looking to gain 10lbs of muscle in 6 weeks. i'll be happy if after pct i can gain 5lbs. and also the fact that i can just hide the pills in ordinary medication bottles so i wont have to worry about him finding out

so my question is, is the pct supp that i have mentioned good? i will also be taking daa supp

As stated above, your pct supp is complete garbage as is all the other supps youre taking. Next time I would get ubiquinol over coq10.

 

[lightspan]

i can see how you might need clomid for 4-andro but my main ph will be 1-andro and since it doesnt convert to estrogen, and also since i wont be taking in much test (4-andro) i dont think i will need clomid
so i think ill go with nolva for my pct
does anyone know a good source for nolva?

Clomid is not for estrogen control. It is to restart your HPTA, because both compounds you propose to take will shut you down. You need to figure out what it is these compounds do and how to recover. You clearly do not understand what you are doing to your body. Or enjoy a long life of TRT. Read, learn, then do a cycle. And stop fucking with PHs, they trash your liver.

Good luck.

 

[demonfox]

Clomid is not for estrogen control. It is to restart your HPTA, because both compounds you propose to take will shut you down. You need to figure out what it is these compounds do and how to recover. You clearly do not understand what you are doing to your body. Or enjoy a long life of TRT. Read, learn, then do a cycle. And stop fucking with PHs, they trash your liver.

Good luck.

thanks a lot for your response. this was very helpful
i did a bit more research and you are right. clomid isnt for estrogen control
and ya youre also right that my natural test will definitely be shut down. i wasnt sure about this one since i wasnt going to take test itself but now i know
ill definitely need at least nolva for my pct to restart my HPTA.

and about this PH causing liver problem, well these are not methylated so these are not as harsh and their main toll on liver comes by elevating LDL and lowering HDL since their specific liver enzymes are hindered (taken from the Texas A&M study). i dont have any blood pressure problem and so i think the LDL and HDL changes arent going to be permanent. they can easily be changed to their normal values after the cycle. also during the cycle i can supplement with omega 3s and i already eat oatmeal everyday. i know these wont make much of a difference but still they are something. also the on cycle supplement should help out a bit as well

so now my question is what are some good online sources for nolva since i have no idea which source to trust
and from my research ive seen people do 20/20/10/10. is that good for me?