pec shaping question

[apollojay]

my pecs are lacking the fullness in the lower outside portion. my chest program consists of incline bb presses, decline bb presses and flys. sometimes i add in flat bb presses but that aggravates injuries in my shoulder. just the movement, it evens hurts just with an empty bar.
on my triceps day, i throw in weighted dips and again if i can i add close grip benches. what else can i do to bring up the lagging areas?
thanks in advance guys.
-jay

 

[Phreezer]

Make your chest bigger.. that's about the only way to bring up things like a good sweep or the upper pecs...Oh yeah, and lower your bf %

Decline DB presses are far superior to decline BB presses.. and when I was still doing the bb thing, I switched to decline db presses over bb presses at the behest of Hogg..and after a couple of months, I did notice a slightly better sweep in my lower outside pecs.. I had also put on some new mass too, so in all actuality my body probably just responded better to the decline db presses because I had never done them.. and the growth I recieved from doing them was probably more responsable then any "shaping" effect that they may have had..

Basicaly, It's all about adding lean mass, and cutting your bf low enough to see that mass..

 

[Grizzly]

What he said.

 

[killiob]

Make your chest bigger.. that's about the only way to bring up things like a good sweep or the upper pecs...Oh yeah, and lower your bf %

Decline DB presses are far superior to decline BB presses.. and when I was still doing the bb thing, I switched to decline db presses over bb presses at the behest of Hogg..and after a couple of months, I did notice a slightly better sweep in my lower outside pecs.. I had also put on some new mass too, so in all actuality my body probably just responded better to the decline db presses because I had never done them.. and the growth I recieved from doing them was probably more responsable then any "shaping" effect that they may have had..

Basicaly, It's all about adding lean mass, and cutting your bf low enough to see that mass..

What about the upper inside of my chest, i am the opposite of apollojay. My upper inside chest is lacking. I went to a wider grip on all bb presses and went wider on all db presses too. Do you think that will do the job. I use db and bb incline presses and also flat bench but not at the same time i will do db presses for 4 weeks and then bb for the next 4 weeks.

thanks bros

 

[Bob Smith]

Same answer as what Phreezer said. YOU CANNT CHANGE YOUR MUSCLE SHAPE!! Plus, there is no "inside upper pec!" Go look up an anatomy book and point of the muscle that makes up the "upper, inner chest."

Oh, to answer your question, implants will work.

 

[dzl66]

yup

Same answer as what Phreezer said. YOU CANNT CHANGE YOUR MUSCLE SHAPE!! Plus, there is no "inside upper pec!" Go look up an anatomy book and point of the muscle that makes up the "upper, inner chest."

Oh, to answer your question, implants will work.

I see these posts alot you can make the muscle bigger or more defined but you can not change the shape of it.

 

[killiob]

Same answer as what Phreezer said. YOU CANNT CHANGE YOUR MUSCLE SHAPE!! Plus, there is no "inside upper pec!" Go look up an anatomy book and point of the muscle that makes up the "upper, inner chest."

Oh, to answer your question, implants will work.

I know there is no inside upper chest muscle, pec major and pec minor are the only two muscles in the chest. I am just saying that my inner part of my chest is not as developed as my outside. thats it.

thanks bro,

 

[Grizzly]

I see these posts alot you can make the muscle bigger or more defined but you can not change the shape of it.

....and?....Were you planning on making a point or what?

 

[killiob]

....and?....Were you planning on making a point or what?

No, just stating my case bro. He was acting like i thought there was a inner upper chest muscle. I was simply stating that my inner upper chest is lacking compared to my outer chest.

 

[Bryan Haycock]

Pec shape

I would highly reccommend weighted dips for the lower pecs.

I agree with the previous comments about not being able to change the shape of a muscle, however, there are factors outside of the muscle itself that effect the way your pecs look and develope.

You have a higher density of androgen receptors around the shoulder girdle. This includes the shoulders, traps, and upper pecs. Adding androgens to your training will normally bring up the upper pecs, rear delts and traps without any other changes.

The other obvious difference between guys is the way the ribs attach to the sternum. This will have a tremendous effect on how the pecs look at the sternum. There is no way to train the inner vs outer pecs. All the talk about close grip/wide grip are just wive's tales perpetuated by a lack of anybody having any better insight and/or ideas.

 

[ren]

I would highly reccommend weighted dips for the lower pecs.

I agree with the previous comments about not being able to change the shape of a muscle, however, there are factors outside of the muscle itself that effect the way your pecs look and develope.

You have a higher density of androgen receptors around the shoulder girdle. This includes the shoulders, traps, and upper pecs. Adding androgens to your training will normally bring up the upper pecs, rear delts and traps without any other changes.

The other obvious difference between guys is the way the ribs attach to the sternum. This will have a tremendous effect on how the pecs look at the sternum. There is no way to train the inner vs outer pecs. All the talk about close grip/wide grip are just wive's tales perpetuated by a lack of anybody having any better insight and/or ideas.

holy shit..i have never heard that before about the higher accumulation of androgen receptors around the shoulder girdle...THATS WHY I LOVE THIS SITE...WHERE ELSE WOULD I EVER FIND THAT OUT?!!!

i kinda figured that about the close grip/wide grip theory seeing as how you only have upper and lower pecs...although dont you get a better stretch with the wide grip, hence damaging more muscle cells?

ren

 

[Bob Smith]

Ren, besides training knowledge, Bryan is also incredibly versed at pharmacological things too. Check out our articles section and I think you should find a good 5 or 10 articles from Bryan.

 

[ren]

Ren, besides training knowledge, Bryan is also incredibly versed at pharmacological things too. Check out our articles section and I think you should find a good 5 or 10 articles from Bryan.

will do!...thanx bob..and bryan of course

ren

 

[killiob]

I would highly reccommend weighted dips for the lower pecs.

I agree with the previous comments about not being able to change the shape of a muscle, however, there are factors outside of the muscle itself that effect the way your pecs look and develope.

You have a higher density of androgen receptors around the shoulder girdle. This includes the shoulders, traps, and upper pecs. Adding androgens to your training will normally bring up the upper pecs, rear delts and traps without any other changes.

The other obvious difference between guys is the way the ribs attach to the sternum. This will have a tremendous effect on how the pecs look at the sternum. There is no way to train the inner vs outer pecs. All the talk about close grip/wide grip are just wive's tales perpetuated by a lack of anybody having any better insight and/or ideas.

I agree with everything you say besides the close grip/wide grip statement. The closer the grip the more it transfers to the triceps and less chest. The wider the grip the more it transfers to the chest and shoulders more. So it does make a difference on what kind of grip you have when doing presses.

 

[bigcaboi]

Bryan is right about the higher density of androgen receptors around the shoulder girdle this is due to the development the embryonic mesodermal layer thus giving body builders a mesomorphic appearance. Which is probably where the wise MESO-RX fathers derived the name of this board from? The fore mentioned reply's are all correct in their own right but let me add this. Our muscles are basically shaped all the same the appearance is usually dictated by the visible layer of fat over the muscle. In my experience this fat layer is dictated by genetics. Look at your father does he have the same shaped chest? Before I considered implants I would first check out some spot liposuction. Similar to the procedure done for gynecomastia. In actuality it is probably not gynecomastia but pseudogynecomastia which is the male breast enlargement due to excess fat in the male breasts. Even if you diet down and reduce your body fat to get the appearance of your chest you want it is unrealistic that you can maintain the appearance you want. It is genetic. You would have to keep your body fat to low to sustain the look you want. Lipo would errantly remove that fat cell and with normal exercise and diet it would be easier to maintain the chest look desired. Hope this helps!

Derek