Pharma mix-2 blood results

[Bender83]

Pre cycle bloods found here

 https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/off-pre-cycle-bloodwork-results-input-appreciated.134383248/

Cycle is 1ml EOD Pharma mix 2 (~262.5mg test phenylprop, 262.5mg tren ace, 350 mast prop/week)
12.5mg EOD Pharma asin on pin days taken w/ "high" fat meal
Bloodwork taken ~41hrs post pin and 35hrs post asin dose have been on for just over a month
I was also on test P for ~3 weeks at 100mg EOD prior to starting the mix 2.



About the bloodwork. The tren is doing a fucking number on my cholesterol, hct is up (although much higher than I'd expect from ~275 test a week), liver values are elevated a little. As you can see, my e2 is LOWER at the time of the blood draw than it was pre cycle. My prolactin and progesterone have increased very slightly, but are still in range.

As a side note, just a few days prior to the blood draw, the pea sized lumps I have behind both areolas began to hurt. I don't know how or why because e2/prolactin/progesterone are all in range. I waited until after the draw so I didn't skew the results and then did the kitchen sink approach (double asin dose, added .25mg caber every 3.5 days, and yesterday added nolvadex) Pain/sensitivity is much better, but I don't know what drug is causing it.

 

[Bradly]

try some nicotinamide for your lipids. I gotta warn ya, its a motherfucker, start at 250mg after you train and can be comfortable. work up to a gram and a half. you want the flushing kind. the first time I tried it it felt like I ate fireants and thought I was going to die at the checkout at walmart. it gets better,kinda,over time but it will help with the lipids. A good cool shower helps a little. now I take it before bed, not sure if thats a good idea for you because of the tren.

 

[Den84]

Thanks for your contribution

 

[Bender83]

try some nicotinamide for your lipids. I gotta warn ya, its a motherfucker, start at 250mg after you train and can be comfortable. work up to a gram and a half. you want the flushing kind. the first time I tried it it felt like I ate fireants and thought I was going to die at the checkout at walmart. it gets better,kinda,over time but it will help with the lipids. A good cool shower helps a little. now I take it before bed, not sure if thats a good idea for you because of the tren.

I will look into that, possibly for future cycles. Honestly, I think I am going to finish off the bottle of mix 2 I am on and switch to test only for a while, and then add in some npp, and see how that treats me. The fucked up cholesterol, and stimulation of my gyno is making me think that tren is just not a good idea for me. At the dose I am on, I don't think I am going to be able to utilize tren to its potential, and I don't think that upping the dose is a good idea.

 

[Bender83]

Also forgot to speak on the PIP of the mix 2.
Overall it is actually pretty smooth. I pin EOD and have been doing right side delt/lat/glute, then left side delt/lat/glute. All pins have some slight pip immediately after injection, but nothing in the following days. Oddly enough the pharmacom test E I ran in the past and what I am going to switch over to now has more pip in the days following injections.

 

[Bradly]

I will look into that, possibly for future cycles. Honestly, I think I am going to finish off the bottle of mix 2 I am on and switch to test only for a while, and then add in some npp, and see how that treats me. The fucked up cholesterol, and stimulation of my gyno is making me think that tren is just not a good idea for me. At the dose I am on, I don't think I am going to be able to utilize tren to its potential, and I don't think that upping the dose is a good idea.

nobody likes a quitter

 

[Bender83]

nobody likes a quitter

True. And I won't lie, I would deal with the cholesterol for a little while longer if that was the only issue. Gyno fucking sucks, and even though mine is very small and unnoticed by 99% of people, if it gets any worse, I'm looking at surgery and I'd like to avoid that.

 

[Bradly]

I was just kidding,kinda. not the most responsible thing I ever said here.
If tren isnt for you,its not for you. I never found it to be the super drug everyone else has made it out to be.
give yourself some time. get your lipids straight. look into EQ. Im going to give tren one more try, but after that, a nice long eq run.

 

[NFRCR]

As you can see, my e2 is LOWER at the time of the blood draw than it was pre cycle.

To me it looks like your E2 is higher instead - 21 before, now 44. While 44 usually does not cause any gyno when taking Test only, it will for some people when combined with Tren. Increase your Exemestane dose to 25mg EOD.

Your Test is not high, so I question that E2 level on such an AI dose though. But it might be the short ester that causes quick high spikes of Test that are enough for a lot of aromatization to take place.

 

[Bender83]

To me it looks like your E2 is higher instead - 21 before, now 44. While 44 usually does not cause any gyno when taking Test only, it will for some people when combined with Tren. Increase your Exemestane dose to 25mg EOD.

Your Test is not high, so I question that E2 level on such an AI dose though. But it might be the short ester that causes quick high spikes of Test that are enough for a lot of aromatization to take place.

have to look at the sensitive e2 test result, its on the first image at the bottom. It shows correct e2 when running tren. The standard test can be skewed by tren which is why I got the sensitive for pre and mid cycle this time.

 

[Bender83]

I was just kidding,kinda. not the most responsible thing I ever said here.
If tren isnt for you,its not for you. I never found it to be the super drug everyone else has made it out to be.
give yourself some time. get your lipids straight. look into EQ. Im going to give tren one more try, but after that, a nice long eq run.

It's all good man, I figured you were anyway. Not a real big deal that I can't handle tren, I just wanted to give it a run because I've heard that test/mast/tren is the shit. I've thought about EQ before, but I've never ran a cycle longer than 12 weeks and everyone and their brother says you need to run eq longer than that.

 

[rugerjitsu]

I would have thought your test levels would have been a bit higher. Maybe 1500+...your thoughts?

 

[scmtnboy]

I will look into that, possibly for future cycles. Honestly, I think I am going to finish off the bottle of mix 2 I am on and switch to test only for a while, and then add in some npp, and see how that treats me. The fucked up cholesterol, and stimulation of my gyno is making me think that tren is just not a good idea for me. At the dose I am on, I don't think I am going to be able to utilize tren to its potential, and I don't think that upping the dose is a good idea.

I have some existing gyno not noticeable to anyone except me and literally two shots of Tren and that shit flares like you wouldn't believe. I think some people are just cursed with being super gyno prone. IME once there is any tissue there it can flare up very easily. I'm looking forward to getting it removed soon.

 

[Bender83]

I would have thought your test levels would have been a bit higher. Maybe 1500+...your thoughts?

Not sure. A little higher maybe, but it is a short ester test and I was only on 75mg EOD. 41hrs post pin is also probably not optimal for test phenyl prop.

I have some existing gyno not noticeable to anyone except me and literally two shots of Tren and that shit flares like you wouldn't believe. I think some people are just cursed with being super gyno prone. IME once there is any tissue there it can flare up very easily. I'm looking forward to getting it removed soon.

I think that is my problem, the existing tissue is super sensitive causing the flare up. My right side is worse than my left. Probably a kidney bean size or slightly bigger in my right side, whereas my left has shrunk to half that or less. I really don't want to drop the $$ to get this shit cut out, but I'm the type of person that it will eat away at me, even if I'm the only one who can see it.

Only issue is, do I tempt fate and cycle after its done or call it quits.

 

[Steve84]

Man...

I think you should try adding Prami ED at night.
I didn't notice but it does wonders for a lump on my left nipple when I'm running Tren.
Stopped it and the lump flared immediately.

Just something I noticed.

 

[Bender83]

Man...

I think you should try adding Prami ED at night.
I didn't notice but it does wonders for a lump on my left nipple when I'm running Tren.
Stopped it and the lump flared immediately.

Just something I noticed.

Already running caber. I have decided though that I am going to stop mix 2 (or tren period for that matter)
Switching to test only for now.

 

[JD70]

What about letro? I would try that, personally. Maybe with Ralox?

 

[Bender83]

What about letro? I would try that, personally. Maybe with Ralox?

I don't see the need for any letro. My e2 is at 12 (again look at the sensitive e2 test result as tren skews the standard test). I would use some ralox, but I already have a bunch of nolvadex in the drawer so I am using that instead. Right side has shrunk back down and sensitivity is gone.

Cycle currently is 150mg test E and 50mg test prop M/W/F and 20mg superdrol daily. Also taking 10mg nolvadex ED and 12.5mg asin ED. Going to drop the superdrol and prop in 1.5-2 weeks and then add NPP. Will keep Nolva and asin dose the same.

I just hope the nolvadex doesn't break my dick. I was on ralox/tamox for a few months a while ago to shrink down the gyno I'm dealing with now, and it put my dick in the dirt. Wrecked my sex drive, half assed erections, and finishing was damn near impossible.