Pharma VS "generic" HGH

[Di5turb3d]

so I've pulled the trigger on a few months of Saizen and my source said I only need 3IUs a day to see 6-8IU a day of generic results... then I've been seeing the grey and black tops on here and itching to try them... my Saizen haven't even arrived yet.

My question is - is there a huge difference in "Pharma GH" vs the grey and black tops? I see people say that the results from Pharma will be night and day compared to the generics: is this true? And would 3IUs of Pharma Saizen reaaaallly be the same as 6IU of let's say black tops?

I don't really believe it? But again... I'm new to GH. So I'd love to hear what you guys think between the two, main differences, or if my source is just feeding me lies haha

 

[Evom1]

No, I believe it is exaggerated based off the poor quality of past generics. The Grey tops and meditropes are very high quality. I've asked this question several times on this board. I also have a friend who personally ran 6 months of geno vs 6 months of Grey tops and couldn't tell a difference. He's also a super heavy weight national level guy and he said he wouldn't bother with pharma grade again unless he had no limit on money, just to be 100% sure.

I do not think by any means that 3iu of saizen would be as good as 8iu Grey tops

 

[Naugahyde]

so I've pulled the trigger on a few months of Saizen and my source said I only need 3IUs a day to see 6-8IU a day of generic results... then I've been seeing the grey and black tops on here and itching to try them... my Saizen haven't even arrived yet.

My question is - is there a huge difference in "Pharma GH" vs the grey and black tops? I see people say that the results from Pharma will be night and day compared to the generics: is this true? And would 3IUs of Pharma Saizen reaaaallly be the same as 6IU of let's say black tops?

I don't really believe it? But again... I'm new to GH. So I'd love to hear what you guys think between the two, main differences, or if my source is just feeding me lies haha

Run the Saizen then after try the Greytop or Blacks and you can do a compare & contrast log for us here - if you want
Good Luck

 

[ulfbehrt]

Pharm HGH blows generics out of the water, but some generics can be pretty good.

 

[Di5turb3d]

Pharm HGH blows generics out of the water, but some generics can be pretty good.

See, that's what I hear, but when the generics are testing close to Pharma... 191aa is a 191aa... how is 10 IUs of the exact same thing that's dosed at 9IUs gonna be much different? GH is GH no?

 

[Di5turb3d]

Run the Saizen then after try the Greytop or Blacks and you can do a compare & contrast log for us here - if you want
Good Luck

Yeah basically that's what I'm going to have to do. Already paid for the Saizen... so might as well!

 

[Evom1]

See, that's what I hear, but when the generics are testing close to Pharma... 191aa is a 191aa... how is 10 IUs of the exact same thing that's dosed at 9IUs gonna be much different? GH is GH no?

You're right on. I've asked this multiple times on here. The most clear answer I got was it comes down to purity and dimmer

 

[ulfbehrt]

See, that's what I hear, but when the generics are testing close to Pharma... 191aa is a 191aa... how is 10 IUs of the exact same thing that's dosed at 9IUs gonna be much different? GH is GH no?

Finding a steady supply of near pharma quality generics is not easy. Some batches can be total bunk and yet others can be excellent. If people can afford pharma grade than they should opt for that. I've used generic hgh off and on for 15 years and it's always been hit or miss, but it all comes down to your supplier really.

 

[Di5turb3d]

Finding a steady supply of near pharma quality generics is not easy. Some batches can be total bunk and yet others can be excellent. If people can afford pharma grade than they should opt for that. I've used generic hgh off and on for 15 years and it's always been hit or miss, but it all comes down to your supplier really.

Doesn't that same truth come into play with Pharma grade too? I'm scared shitless that this Saizen coming in could be bunk... it's coming out of a supplier in Holland... didn't heavily research it either unfortunately. But I keep seeing all the praises coming from users of the grey and black tops and makes me wish I went that direction instead kind of. But hey, may as well side by side test them both.
Any and all input is appreciated though. First time GH user.

 

[ickyrica]

A steady and reliable supply of blacks and greys are out there. I know of 2 domestic and 2 international sources that can serve up the generics I want at virtually any time needed.

I also know of someone who has a reliable and steady supply of pharma, but I have yet to talk with this member about purchasing any. Just know they have and can get it anytime.

 

[Jeffg353]

I believe it is exaggerated based off the poor quality of past generics. The Grey tops and meditropes are very high quality.

This is exactly the answer. With all the recent testing being done on the Meditropes n The Grey Top (these names are important) they r getting CLOSE (not exact) to pharm grade standards. It seems like with each new batch quality gets just that little bit better. Back to the actual names, with the great quality of these generics ur seeing some labs come out with their own brand of black n grey tops that don't have the same quality. So getting it from one of the 4-5 major suppliers is key to getting real quality meditrope (blacks) n The Grey Top (greys).

To compare the generics to pharm is going to be difficult. Since it effects everyone differently from side effects like CTS to overall cycle results...its hard to compare one guys results on pharm to another guys results on generics. With the pharm grade products ur paying for the name...like with any name brand product. Behind that name of which ever brand u choose, u know it's a proven n scientifically studied/tested product. But as mentioned u really need to trust ur source. Just as there's fakes of the generics there's just as many pharm fakes.

Now I've heard that the generics will make some people bloat more than pharm. My first kit of the generics made me really retain a lot of water in my feet n ankles. But it seems as though once my body adapted to the extra GH not only did the bloating/swelling subside just about all of the other sides did as well. I've tested most of the popular generics on the market n am now just starting the pharm grade omnitrope. It does seem a little stronger than the generics at the same dose but I wouldn't say it's double. It's prob more like 4iu generic = 5-6 iu pharm.

 

[3ml]

Try being in Canada this place is void of GH completely

 

[janoshik]

Try being in Canada this place is void of GH completely

Lotsa fakes floating around there, recently.

 

[master.on]

No, I believe it is exaggerated based off the poor quality of past generics. The Grey tops and meditropes are very high quality. I've asked this question several times on this board. I also have a friend who personally ran 6 months of geno vs 6 months of Grey tops and couldn't tell a difference. He's also a super heavy weight national level guy and he said he wouldn't bother with pharma grade again unless he had no limit on money, just to be 100% sure.

I do not think by any means that 3iu of saizen would be as good as 8iu Grey tops

More like 3 iu PHARMA gh = 5 iu generics?

Ain't Genotropin a bit better than Saizen?
assuming both are real, non-counterfeited, real pharma.

Try being in Canada this place is void of GH completely

Did you mean void of pharma GH at legal pharmacies?
or void of UG gh?

 

[Di5turb3d]

This is exactly the answer. With all the recent testing being done on the Meditropes n The Grey Top (these names are important) they r getting CLOSE (not exact) to pharm grade standards. It seems like with each new batch quality gets just that little bit better. Back to the actual names, with the great quality of these generics ur seeing some labs come out with their own brand of black n grey tops that don't have the same quality. So getting it from one of the 4-5 major suppliers is key to getting real quality meditrope (blacks) n The Grey Top (greys).

To compare the generics to pharm is going to be difficult. Since it effects everyone differently from side effects like CTS to overall cycle results...its hard to compare one guys results on pharm to another guys results on generics. With the pharm grade products ur paying for the name...like with any name brand product. Behind that name of which ever brand u choose, u know it's a proven n scientifically studied/tested product. But as mentioned u really need to trust ur source. Just as there's fakes of the generics there's just as many pharm fakes.

Now I've heard that the generics will make some people bloat more than pharm. My first kit of the generics made me really retain a lot of water in my feet n ankles. But it seems as though once my body adapted to the extra GH not only did the bloating/swelling subside just about all of the other sides did as well. I've tested most of the popular generics on the market n am now just starting the pharm grade omnitrope. It does seem a little stronger than the generics at the same dose but I wouldn't say it's double. It's prob more like 4iu generic = 5-6 iu pharm.

Got it.. well I'd love to know how it turns out for you. Yeah I've done a lot of homework now and got in touch with TP and PD, great prices and I'll definitely be getting some greys or blacks... I just don't know which one to start with. I'll finish running my Saizen first and then see.

 

[ulfbehrt]

More like 3 iu PHARMA gh = 5 iu generics?

Ain't Genotropin a bit better than Saizen?
assuming both are real, non-counterfeited, real pharma.


Did you mean void of pharma GH at legal pharmacies?
or void of UG gh?

Pretty sure he means generics. I ordered international from Homer for years and he always had good stuff, but that dried up and I cried a lot after lol.

Tritons and Jeos are a joke so not sure what's left.....then again my ear ain't so close to the ground anymore so I dunno.

 

[Jeffg353]

Got it.. well I'd love to know how it turns out for you. Yeah I've done a lot of homework now and got in touch with TP and PD, great prices and I'll definitely be getting some greys or blacks... I just don't know which one to start with. I'll finish running my Saizen first and then see.

I honestly preferred the greys over the blacks. But with the blacks ur getting more for ur money since they're actually 150iu but sold as 100iu kits.

 

[3ml]

More like 3 iu PHARMA gh = 5 iu generics?

Ain't Genotropin a bit better than Saizen?
assuming both are real, non-counterfeited, real pharma.


Did you mean void of pharma GH at legal pharmacies?
or void of UG gh?

Well ya generics in Canada are all fake garbage, peptides at best. Try getting greys or blacks sent internationally pretty sure you can’t anymore and if you do customs will most likely snag it

 

[3ml]

Pretty sure he means generics. I ordered international from Homer for years and he always had good stuff, but that dried up and I cried a lot after lol.

Tritons and Jeos are a joke so not sure what's left.....then again my ear ain't so close to the ground anymore so I dunno.

I’m the one who tested the tritons and made the stink about them being fake.

 

[ulfbehrt]

I’m the one who tested the tritons and made the stink about them being fake.

Cool beans dude. Yah EVERYONE was raving about them being so good until the results came in lol. What did they test at again....low teens? 10+ years ago ordering international was the way to go and 8/10 packs got through, but thanks to the cock suckers selling fentanyl everything has changed