Plan for my second cycle; critique/adjustments are appreciated

[Iron Frenchie]

I don't think you're following. I wasn't talking about switching to Test P.

Running Test E as well as EQ

Say you ran EQ for 16 weeks, normally you would have to wait about about 28 days before beginning PCT

But if you stop EQ 2 weeks (14 days) before Test E and you continue to run Test E for another 2 weeks (14 days) the EQ is out of the system and you stop Test E 2 weeks after that (14 days) you can begin PCT.

If he stopped EQ and switched to Test P he would still have to drop the EQ 2 weeks prior to stopping Test AND still have to run Test P for another 2 weeks, then 3 days after last pin of Test P he could start PCT

So it really only saves you 11 days. And EQ you run longer, EQ is not meant for short 8-12 week cycles.

So unless you're totally changing the compounds he wants to use, there's little benefit to what you suggest.

Your not following. It’s not 11 days saved. I was talking about running a shorter ester compound in general. They don’t make short ester boldenone. Say he ran any short ester like test p, NPP, Tren a for 8+1 weeks. It’s still half the total shutdown of 14+4 weeks of eq. Plus EQ shines still at 14 weeks. It would be somewhat a waste at 14 weeks. Like I said before running 2 shorter cycles a year you will make better gains then 1 long cycle a year. If you pct and care about recovery and making gains there isn’t really a reason to run eq.

 

[Test_Subject]

They don’t make short ester boldenone.

You can get bold ace, but apparently it sucks ass to inject.

 

[picholas]

Your not following. It’s not 11 days saved. I was talking about running a shorter ester compound in general. They don’t make short ester boldenone. Say he ran any short ester like test p, NPP, Tren a for 8+1 weeks. It’s still half the total shutdown of 14+4 weeks of eq. Plus EQ shines still at 14 weeks. It would be somewhat a waste at 14 weeks. Like I said before running 2 shorter cycles a year you will make better gains then 1 long cycle a year. If you pct and care about recovery and making gains there isn’t really a reason to run eq.

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum and this is my first (or second if you count the introduction post) post ever.

A little information about me regarding AAS usage and my previous cycle. My first cycle was somewhat a year ago. Since it was my first time using gear I decided to go as simple as possible in order to gauge and monitor the effects on my body. So my first cycle was:

Testosterone Enanthate @250mg twice per week [pinning every Monday and Thursday.

Bro, it's his 2nd cycle ever and you want him on Tren???

And you ended with

"there isn't really a reason to run EQ"

I have no words...

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Bro, it's his 2nd cycle ever and you want him on Tren???

And you ended with

"there isn't really a reason to run EQ"

I have no words...

You no have words cause you can’t logically think why it’s gonna be more beneficial to run a long EQ cycle rather a shorter cycle. I’ll break it down. Running a simple 500mg Test p twice a year then this cycle once a year is better in almost every way.

 

[picholas]

You no have words cause you can’t logically think why it’s gonna be more beneficial to run a long EQ cycle rather a shorter cycle. I’ll break it down. Running a simple 500mg Test p twice a year then this cycle once a year is better in almost every way.

I have no words because besides trying to get a 2nd time AAS user to pin EOD

You advised him to use Tren...

I'll break it down even more simply.

He's new to this he shouldn't be on Tren or pinning EOD. He can still run a simple Test E cycle for 12-14 weeks twice a year.

You're all over the place in your suggestions...

 

[Necessary Evil]

@picholas , @Iron Frenchie I personally agree that doing two cycles a year is far better than doing one. That's why in my initial post I decided to run a cycle like:

Testosterone E/C @500mg per week 1-16 weeks.
EQ @600mg per week 1-14 weeks.
+ 1 oral

Since I have no prior experience to either EQ and deca/NPP. Does EQ really have that much of a difference in the addition of 4 weeks [if someone injects it up to 14 weeks?]?

So far, I mainly decided to go with EQ since it's really mild and a friend of mine suggested it in order to have a generally low stress cycle. About deca/NPP I have heard a lot of mixed reviews, there are many that glorify it and others that say it's bad. I have nothing against deca/NPP and I might even consider it, that's why I joined this forum, in order to accumulate more opinions and make the right decision for my second cycle. I want this one to be a solid cycle with noticable gains.

So if you had to choose between a test e/c + eq cycle and a test e/c + deca/NPP cycle which would you opt for, for an individual that wants to add quality mass given that training and nutrition are on point?

Side question, if for example I go with deca/NPP would that give me the 'green light' to go for dbol instead of tbol since deca has water retention as well?

Sorry for swinging back and forth on this thread regarding which cycle I should opt for but as I said above I really really want to get this right.

 

[picholas]

@picholas , @Iron Frenchie I personally agree that doing two cycles a year is far better than doing one. That's why in my initial post I decided to run a cycle like:

Testosterone E/C @500mg per week 1-16 weeks.
EQ @600mg per week 1-14 weeks.
+ 1 oral

Since I have no prior experience to either EQ and deca/NPP. Does EQ really have that much of a difference in the addition of 4 weeks [if someone injects it up to 14 weeks?]?

So far, I mainly decided to go with EQ since it's really mild and a friend of mine suggested it in order to have a generally low stress cycle. About deca/NPP I have heard a lot of mixed reviews, there are many that glorify it and others that say it's bad. I have nothing against deca/NPP and I might even consider it, that's why I joined this forum, in order to accumulate more opinions and make the right decision for my second cycle. I want this one to be a solid cycle with noticable gains.

So if you had to choose between a test e/c + eq cycle and a test e/c + deca/NPP cycle which would you opt for, for an individual that wants to add quality mass given that training and nutrition are on point?

Side question, if for example I go with deca/NPP would that give me the 'green light' to go for dbol instead of tbol since deca has water retention as well?

Sorry for swinging back and forth on this thread regarding which cycle I should opt for but as I said above I really really want to get this right.

You could run Deca -- no NPP. It does have harsher sides and is more of a "wet" bulk than lean mass gainer. IMO a good winter cycle would have Deca, when you're just trying to bulk up and don't care to much about aesthetics.

You DO NOT NEED 19-nor AAS at this point. It is overkill and dangerous to just jump into those waters.

There's nothing wrong with these but they have harsher side effects. You're just starting out and could run Test cycles solo probably 2 more times with good results.

If you really want to add a compound to add lean mass EQ.

Do not listen to Frenchie, bad bad advice.

(You can still easily do 2 cycles a year at 12-16 weeks)

He is basically saying there is no benefit to running a compound longer...which is asinine to think you would get the same results in 8-12 weeks as you would in 16-18. If that was true no one would run long cycles and there wouldn't be a market for EQ or any long ester Test.

Yes you're shut down longer, but you're also getting the compounding results of Test + EQ longer.

 

[picholas]

To be honest I wouldn't suggest deca either, especially with NPP, you're jumping right into 2, 19-nors without knowing how you respond. People just like NPP with deca because it can help with the sides.

Test + EQ

Start or end with an oral.