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Planning cycle 4: include orals

Inquiring Mind

Inquiring Mind

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So I'm planning ahead, gear and ancillaries on deck. It will be an 8 week cycle, might stretch it to 10 depending on mid-cycle bloods and time before I have to be back to work. Anyway, 4 days with weights on spilt routine hypertrophy and 3 days cardio with one day dedicated HIIT.

Food consumption- simple and clean. No playing around in this regard..my only problem is getting in enough cals..I'm not a big eater as it is...but will be tiring to reach to 4000 cal mark.

Compounds:
- Dbol 50mg/day as kick start. Thinking 2 to 4 weeks till the Test kicks in.
- Test Cyp (only cause I have accumulated it while on TRT).
- Mast P 100mg EOD.
- NPP 100mg EOD.
- finishing with either Var or Tbol as a cutter the last 4 weeks.

Questions:
Regarding Test Cyp- I'm thinking to stay low due to Dbol's affinity for estrogen and gyno..not that I'm prone but this will be first time running any oral, especially Dbol. So probably 100 or 200mg a week..let me know what you guys think in this regard. My feelings or rational are that I would prefer the Test as a base and let the other compounds do what they are intended for.

- Regarding kicking off with Dbol and ending with a cutter. Do I need some time between the two orals?
In my research I don't see a clear discussion regarding this..I know enough not to run orals consecutively...but do I need to give my liver a few weeks between the two?

Regarding the cutting/recomp orals. I have always been intrigued with Var but Tbol and been sounding very promising. Negotiating the two, asking for insight.

Thank you all in advance.
 
50mg dbol isn't very friendly to you liver, but a 2-4 week run may not be that detrimental. Mid-cycle bloods will tell you all you need to know about whether or not to continue any orals.

You say you're running TRT cyp, so I'm assuming you've stockpiled a script and haven't been taking it? Otherwise, why would you be waiting for the test to kick in if you're already on TRT?
 
Kinetic said:
50mg dbol isn't very friendly to you liver, but a 2-4 week run may not be that detrimental. Mid-cycle bloods will tell you all you need to know about whether or not to continue any orals.

You say you're running TRT cyp, so I'm assuming you've stockpiled a script and haven't been taking it? Otherwise, why would you be waiting for the test to kick in if you're already on TRT?
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I can always cut the dbol in half and see that goes and take an addition mid-mid cycle blood to see how my liver tolerate.
I'm glad you raise that point as inhave thought 50 IS a lot to start with.

Yes, I stock piled while smearing Androgel.
 
Inquiring Mind said:
Bulk 4 weeks and cut 4 weeks.
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If you're on TRT and keeping that dose or a dose close to it then there's no need to wait for the test to "kick in".

You'd optimally like to have 4-6wks between orals but if you keep the doses relatively low you probably won't have serious issues if you decide to run both. Never tried tbol but never been a fan and from what I've heard it's just overrated.
 
either go for full cut or full bulk. I tried your way. 5 weeks cut and 5 weeks bulk or other way around. Then you would just bulk and lose everything when you cut.
 
@Docd187123 That's true, I can't believe I overlook that fact...that i still do have Test in me throughout...

I'm thinking since it's my first run with Dbol that I'll cut my dose down to 25mg per day...I fuse I take it an hour before I hit the gym...

Thanks for your input bro.
 
jJjburton said:
either go for full cut or full bulk. I tried your way. 5 weeks cut and 5 weeks bulk or other way around. Then you would just bulk and lose everything when you cut.
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Can't argue with experience...so I truly appreciate your input. What your saying, couples with what Docd said above, I will have to reevaluate and choose one or the other..bulk or cut..especially since I'm running a relatively short cycle (8 weeks).
 
Inquiring Mind said:
Can't argue with experience...so I truly appreciate your input. What your saying, couples with what Docd said above, I will have to reevaluate and choose one or the other..bulk or cut..especially since I'm running a relatively short cycle (8 weeks).
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Believe it or not others told me what I am telling you but like every thing else I had to try it to see if it was true lol.Just like drugs are bad....so I do them...and guess what there are..... I think it was doc too, that said do one or the other, and I did not. I did bulk and cut. And I am just going to bulk this go around with NPP and TEST at 700 each. Not cutting until next cycle.
 
jJjburton said:
Believe it or not others told me what I am telling you but like every thing else I had to try it to see if it was true lol.Just like drugs are bad....so I do them...and guess what there are..... I think it was doc too, that said do one or the other, and I did not. I did bulk and cut. And I am just going to bulk this go around with NPP and TEST at 700 each. Not cutting until next cycle.
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Looking back again, before I started this thread, I honestly don't think I had either "bulk" or "cut" in mind per se..thinking out loud, I should have been more clear with my goals, that I wanted a lean mass. I know that sounds cliche, but I knoow I didn't want either of the forementioned extreems either.

Thus, the dbol at the front end till the Mast and NPP to really reach their saturation point...I would hope that would happen under 4 weeks.

In any event, for argument sake, say I run just run dbol oral...would you think the Mast will suffice to aid in the water retention issues?
 
Inquiring Mind said:
Looking back again, before I started this thread, I honestly don't think I had either "bulk" or "cut" in mind per se..thinking out loud, I should have been more clear with my goals, that I wanted a lean mass. I know that sounds cliche, but I knoow I didn't want either of the forementioned extreems either.

Thus, the dbol at the front end till the Mast and NPP to really reach their saturation point...I would hope that would happen under 4 weeks.

In any event, for argument sake, say I run just run dbol oral...would you think the Mast will suffice to aid in the water retention issues?
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well I would say a lean bulk is a bulk but not eating any garbage. Only :clean foods"

Chicken, steak, veggies, sweet potatoes. In a bulk thats 500 above maintenance.
 
Inquiring Mind said:
I was gonna run Mast through the entire cycle anyway for the reasons I stated above...at 300mg a week would suffice?
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My first run with it. At 600mg/wk mastp. Not sure what results would be around 300. if you have more to use I would. Say anywhere from 450-600mgs would be ideal to really get the effects you want from mast. 300 is something I would run through a whole bulk cycle to help keep you tight. But that's just me atleast not no pro on mast but I can tell you it will be making its way into a lot more of my stacks
 
Eman45 said:
My first run with it. At 600mg/wk mastp. Not sure what results would be around 300. if you have more to use I would. Say anywhere from 450-600mgs would be ideal to really get the effects you want from mast. 300 is something I would run through a whole bulk cycle to help keep you tight. But that's just me atleast not no pro on mast but I can tell you it will be making its way into a lot more of my stacks
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Ok, but then how would you adjust, if any, of the other compounds I'm taking in relation to running Mast P at upto 600/wk.
 
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