test p dosage with hmg & hcg and hcg desensitization

[boiwalker6548]

i want to get my test levels to roughly 800ng/dl to 1200ng/dl, the compounds ive chosen are test p, hmg, hcg, anavar and exemestan, now i want to get most of the test from the test p and use hmg and hcg only to keep balls working, i thought of doing 500iu hcg and 15iu hmg three times a week, now how much test p would i need (also three times a week) to get to those 800-1200ng d? 20mg maybe? im not sure at all. also is hcg desensitization a thing?

 

[boiwalker6548]

oh yeah and also is the hmg from gsc any good?

 

[nullandvoid]

I also use Test P, but at 25mg daily. This dose has had to be increased over the years to maintain the same levels of total testosterone. Not sure if that's due to some sort of desensitization or I'm actually using more due to having more muscle. However, there is no way to know how anyone is going to respond other than to just committing to a dose and frequency and getting labs in about 4-6 weeks and then adjusting from there. It is a painstakingly slow process. It took me years, and then the body will change in some way and make you chase your tail some more.

hCG I use at 250iU three times a week. 500iU really seems to mess with my estrogen and gives no increased benefit (testicular fullness, for example). However, if I use less then 250iU, my testicles will begin to ache after a few days. So somewhere around that dose is right for me. I'm not sure hCG desensitization is a thing anymore. I think what may happen is degradation to the hCG itself causing the appearance of desensitization. I know it's been shown with analyses this doesn't seem to happen, but in practice, I swear it does... somehow. What I do is buy the 10,000iU vials from ReliableRx (Sifasi-HP), reconstitute, and then fill 14 syringes (one ends up a partial). Each syringe is for one week. The rest get frozen, and I pull one out at the beginning of each week. This has worked very well for me, and I know it works, because if it didn't, the testicular pain would let me know.

hMG I have no experience. It's always been too cost prohibitive. Though I do wonder if I ever wanted to try and have a child if it would do anything for me. I had a sperm test done a few years ago, and it was an absolute ghost town... not a single sperm.

Anavar is a lovely compound. I absolutely love it and took it at 20mg morning and night (40mg daily total) for years (I did not cycle it), but it did skew my lipids to a point where I finally had to reset. They weren't awful. Triglycerides were always great, but HDL was too low, and LDL was just a tad above the top end of the reference range. Lipids are great, now, but I lost a lot of "push" in the gym without Anavar. This has got me thinking about going back on it now, but I'm trying to get into the top classification for my life insurance policy (cheapest). I need to just go ahead and schedule the physical and get it done.

I use Exemestane as well for estrogen control, but I do not take it regularly. It does too good of a job, even at low doses (like 5mg), and regular dosing would keep my estrogen crushed. I have to go based on symptoms.. like irritability, food cravings, etc. The problem is hormonal influences are so damn subtle and fundamental it can be very hard to tell sometimes until it gets bad enough to the point you realize it. It usually ends up I take Exemestane at 5mg every few weeks. It's total guesswork based on feels. Primo does an excellent job for me tamping the peaks for estrogen. Otherwise, it becomes a crazy, unpredictable ride... too high or too low.. never under control.

 

[boiwalker6548]

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I also use Test P, but at 25mg daily. This dose has had to be increased over the years to maintain the same levels of total testosterone. Not sure if that's due to some sort of desensitization or I'm actually using more due to having more muscle. However, there is no way to know how anyone is going to respond other than to just committing to a dose and frequency and getting labs in about 4-6 weeks and then adjusting from there. It is a painstakingly slow process. It took me years, and then the body will change in some way and make you chase your tail some more.

hCG I use at 250iU three times a week. 500iU really seems to mess with my estrogen and gives no increased benefit (testicular fullness, for example). However, if I use less then 250iU, my testicles will begin to ache after a few days. So somewhere around that dose is right for me. I'm not sure hCG desensitization is a thing anymore. I think what may happen is degradation to the hCG itself causing the appearance of desensitization. I know it's been shown with analyses this doesn't seem to happen, but in practice, I swear it does... somehow. What I do is buy the 10,000iU vials from ReliableRx (Sifasi-HP), reconstitute, and then fill 14 syringes (one ends up a partial). Each syringe is for one week. The rest get frozen, and I pull one out at the beginning of each week. This has worked very well for me, and I know it works, because if it didn't, the testicular pain would let me know.

hMG I have no experience. It's always been too cost prohibitive. Though I do wonder if I ever wanted to try and have a child if it would do anything for me. I had a sperm test done a few years ago, and it was an absolute ghost town... not a single sperm.

Anavar is a lovely compound. I absolutely love it and took it at 20mg morning and night (40mg daily total) for years (I did not cycle it), but it did skew my lipids to a point where I finally had to reset. They weren't awful. Triglycerides were always great, but HDL was too low, and LDL was just a tad above the top end of the reference range. Lipids are great, now, but I lost a lot of "push" in the gym without Anavar. This has got me thinking about going back on it now, but I'm trying to get into the top classification for my life insurance policy (cheapest). I need to just go ahead and schedule the physical and get it done.

I use Exemestane as well for estrogen control, but I do not take it regularly. It does too good of a job, even at low doses (like 5mg), and regular dosing would keep my estrogen crushed. I have to go based on symptoms.. like irritability, food cravings, etc. The problem is hormonal influences are so damn subtle and fundamental it can be very hard to tell sometimes until it gets bad enough to the point you realize it. It usually ends up I take Exemestane at 5mg every few weeks. It's total guesswork based on feels. Primo does an excellent job for me tamping the peaks for estrogen. Otherwise, it becomes a crazy, unpredictable ride... too high or too low.. never under control.

how much ng dl do you have from 25 test daily

 

[nullandvoid]

Honestly, my last labs were confusing. They came in at 1419, which was way higher than my usual. This was in August, so a few months ago, and I feel pretty confident that Test P was a bit overdosed. I am now on a different batch, and I actually sent some of this out for a Jano analysis, and it came back slightly above 100mg/ml. Once I get new labs, I'll be able to better tell you that answer.

For the longest time, though, I used 20mg/ml and stayed in the 800's. It started drifting down into the 600's, which is why I bumped it. It's possible that Test P was underdosed at the time, which set me up to really overcompensate once I hit a properly dosed vial (which might explain the 1419). A lot of this is guesswork unless you have to means to test everything. I do a decent job of it, but I'm not swinging bags of money around like some. I recently purchased some raws, so I am going to start brewing my own and know exactly what dose I'm making and getting rid of that wild variable once and for all.

 

[boiwalker6548]

Honestly, my last labs were confusing. They came in at 1419, which was way higher than my usual. This was in August, so a few months ago, and I feel pretty confident that Test P was a bit overdosed. I am now on a different batch, and I actually sent some of this out for a Jano analysis, and it came back slightly above 100mg/ml. Once I get new labs, I'll be able to better tell you that answer.

For the longest time, though, I used 20mg/ml and stayed in the 800's. It started drifting down into the 600's, which is why I bumped it. It's possible that Test P was underdosed at the time, which set me up to really overcompensate once I hit a properly dosed vial (which might explain the 1419). A lot of this is guesswork unless you have to means to test everything. I do a decent job of it, but I'm not swinging bags of money around like some. I recently purchased some raws, so I am going to start brewing my own and know exactly what dose I'm making and getting rid of that wild variable once and for all.

so i guess if i do my 500hcg 15hmg and 25mg test p all three days a week ill get roughly to 1k ng dl? thx man

 

[boiwalker6548]

i want to get my test levels to roughly to 800-1200ng/dl, i also want to use hcg 500iu and hmg 15iu along with it, i want to pin eod except saturday (saturday is my last day of the week) so i would pin sunday tuesday thursday, how much test p do i have to inject on those days to get to my desired range? i know its individual to some degree and i will do blood tests and adjust my dosage but what would you recommend as a starting point which would get me to that range, 15mg? 25mg? 35mg? 50mg?

 

[Excel.exe]

can you pin everyday? if you can then pin 10mg everyday with that amount of hcg and hmg every other day.

if you cannot ping everyday then start with 25mg eod with that combination of hcg and hmg.

personally, i would lower that hcg dosage to 250 iu and take 37.5 iu hmg eod.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Dude, enough with this shit. Your just going to argue with everyone about what they think anyways.

 

[Liter O' Test]

do not steroids if your number one concern is your natural testosterone levels

 

[Benf15harp]

Exactly this much

 

[TestosTyrone]

Jesus fucking Christ next you're going to ask us to inject it for you and then do your workouts

 

[boiwalker6548]

can you pin everyday? if you can then pin 10mg everyday with that amount of hcg and hmg every other day.

if you cannot ping everyday then start with 25mg eod with that combination of hcg and hmg.

personally, i would lower that hcg dosage to 250 iu and take 37.5 iu hmg eod.

why the high hmg?

 

[Excel.exe]

the real dose of hmg is 75iu eod.

 

[boiwalker6548]

the real dose of hmg is 75iu eod.

To preserve fertility and testicular activity HMG necessarily needs to be used on cycles more than 10 weeks long. Ideally, it should be used from the first week, to avoid any atrophy of the testicles. Most often, the prevention of testicular atrophy begins within 3-4 weeks of the steroid cycle. However, in any case, cycles lasting more than 10 weeks thr with a complete loss of testicular functionality, and it is required to start using HCG\HMG treatment as early as possible. In this case, the protocol is: HMG at 75-150 IU 2-3x/week and/or HCG at 250-500IU/2-3x/week.

For people that are suffering from hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, it is recommended that they take up to 5-10 IU per day for several months.

Athletes that are looking for a way to improve their performance can take up to 10 IU per day. On workout days, you may take an additional 5 IU doses 30 minutes before beginning your workout.

In a case of severe anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin protocol consist of Twice-weekly injections of 10,000 IU of HCG and daily injections of 75 IU of HMG for 3 months. It is important, not to use too much, because it can lead to overstimulation of the Leydig cells.

look at this, i think those high dosages are only needed if balls have already seized function

 

[Excel.exe]

Dude, enough with this shit. Your just going to argue with everyone about what they think anyways.

you were right.

 

[boiwalker6548]

you were right.

HMG 75iu this is were i took it from, ofc im gonna argue? what else am i supposed to do?

 

[Excel.exe]

HMG 75iu this is were i took it from, ofc im gonna argue? what else am i supposed to do?

read what you shared

Most often, the prevention of testicular atrophy begins within 3-4 weeks of the steroid cycle. However, in any case, cycles lasting more than 10 weeks thr with a complete loss of testicular functionality, and it is required to start using HCG\HMG treatment as early as possible. In this case, the protocol is: HMG at 75-150 IU 2-3x/week and/or HCG at 250-500IU/2-3x/week.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

HMG 75iu this is were i took it from, ofc im gonna argue? what else am i supposed to do?

Do you ask these questions to obtain other opinions or to tell everyone how wrong they are?