whats up guys. I've had a little prob for a long time. My libido steadly declined about 4 years ago around when i started working out and eating right again i was 18. about two years ago like an uneducate asshole i did a deca only cycle 9 weeks at 450mg ew with no pct. recovery was harsh had blood work done and obviously test count was real low like 226ng.i waited about 4 months and did a small 8 week 500mg ew sust cycle with clomid for pct. still low libido had test rechecked low, waited about 2 and a half moths and jumped on a 500mg test e ew1-16, 400mg ew1-16eq, 30mg d-bol week1-4 500iu hcg twice a week waited two weeks then nolva and clomid for pct.. recovery was ok but still low libido ,waited about 10 months was about to start my next cycle in april and decided to do it right and get prliminary blod work and to my suprise test level was still real low. had gone to uroligst previously (knows nothing about my gear usage) And he ran another blood test witch came back low so he gave me a shot of test cyp 300mg eow. after a 2nd shot got blood work , test was good but fsh and lh were low which i think was from what he gave me but he said it shouldnt of made a differnce that fast , so he put me on androgel since then(about4 months) which i am currently on , the past 4 and a half weeks i've been takeing 500mg sust ew which i only plann on running for 6 weeks total.this last one i kinda just through together cause i was already taking the androgel and looked like shit and i was like fuck it im pretty much already on with the gel i mean im shutting down production of my testies might as well get swole.i can going to come off and was wondering if you guys have any input as for what i should do for pct i have nolva, clomid and hcg on hand. my delema is this i want to have kids some day and am woried about my being able to produce sperm. i went to an endocrinologist and told him the whole truth. He told me flat out i need to come of everything cold turkey crash - no pct and just give it time(up to two years)and hope everything goes to normal-Asshole- He thinks its all from the gear usage. i had a mri of my pituitary and the was no signs of tumors., my question is , what do i do?? I cant go off that long, i will have no sex drive -no erections- And i dont think that my problem is from usage.I am currently looking for an open minded enornnoligist in the n.y are P.M me if anyone knows one please. I'm not looking for just a doc to give me juice i can get it on my own i want to be normal. can someone also explain the clomid test to me please.
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Your urologist isn't competant. But you know that.
Your endo isn't competant. And you know that also. You should not just quit cold turkey. That is actually dangerous.
And to be honest, you are being a bit of an idiot yourself. Do you want to focus on recovering or do you want to keep doing AAS cycles? Whether you are on just Androgel or doing an AAS cycle DOES make a difference to your recovery. An AAS cycle is much more suppressive to your HPTA than the Androgel.
Want to recover? Stop the cycle. Wait three weeks. Start PCT. PM me if you need more details on the best PCT to run.
You are correct that you need to find a decent physician. What area are you in?
Your endo isn't competant. And you know that also. You should not just quit cold turkey. That is actually dangerous.
And to be honest, you are being a bit of an idiot yourself. Do you want to focus on recovering or do you want to keep doing AAS cycles? Whether you are on just Androgel or doing an AAS cycle DOES make a difference to your recovery. An AAS cycle is much more suppressive to your HPTA than the Androgel.
Want to recover? Stop the cycle. Wait three weeks. Start PCT. PM me if you need more details on the best PCT to run.
You are correct that you need to find a decent physician. What area are you in?
I don't know if Swale advises on steroid use or how to manage steroid use. He advises those that have past use with current damage to their endocrine systems. Of course, he could just be too busy to respond. Perhaps this question should be on the Anabolic board (https://thinksteroids.com/community/forums/steroid-forum.8/) and not the Heath board...or on both to increase your chances. 
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Oh, it was hard for me to tell from your message, it seemed you were looking for some recovery help but you were still committed to "gear" use.
Now that I understand correctly Id say Swales the man for you. Perhaps you should consider taking a trip to see him and then have him manage your recovery and minimize your long term problems.
You should post your test results from your blood work so people can get a better idea as to what your situation is. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Now that I understand correctly Id say Swales the man for you. Perhaps you should consider taking a trip to see him and then have him manage your recovery and minimize your long term problems.
You should post your test results from your blood work so people can get a better idea as to what your situation is. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
You basically have 2 options;
First as mranak has mentioned, stop the cycle and begin PCT - I would recommend doing HGC 250iu every 2nd day for the last 1-2 weeks you are on (to help get the testies back to use). Then come off everything till PCT (which should be 15days min, 3weeks max from last shot). Then run clomid at 100mg for 10days, 50mg for 20days), get levels rechecked & see whether to remain on clomid for a longer period (maybe a few months+). When you decide to come off clomid - taper it down to 25mg for about 5 days, then 12.5mg for 5 days, then stop. Check you levels a month again later to see if your natty production is working. Of course you should still consult with an endo to get your self monitored.
Option 2 is to find a good endo & get him to prescribe proper HRT for you. But you must be prepared that once you start this you may be on it for the rest of your life. What ever protocol you end up on (gels, injections), you would also want to look into add HCG once your levels are tuned.
You will never know if you are able to restart your HPTA unless you try option 1, however you may find that you just wish to feel better, and want to start HRT.
First as mranak has mentioned, stop the cycle and begin PCT - I would recommend doing HGC 250iu every 2nd day for the last 1-2 weeks you are on (to help get the testies back to use). Then come off everything till PCT (which should be 15days min, 3weeks max from last shot). Then run clomid at 100mg for 10days, 50mg for 20days), get levels rechecked & see whether to remain on clomid for a longer period (maybe a few months+). When you decide to come off clomid - taper it down to 25mg for about 5 days, then 12.5mg for 5 days, then stop. Check you levels a month again later to see if your natty production is working. Of course you should still consult with an endo to get your self monitored.
Option 2 is to find a good endo & get him to prescribe proper HRT for you. But you must be prepared that once you start this you may be on it for the rest of your life. What ever protocol you end up on (gels, injections), you would also want to look into add HCG once your levels are tuned.
You will never know if you are able to restart your HPTA unless you try option 1, however you may find that you just wish to feel better, and want to start HRT.
started taking hcg on tuesday 500iu twice a week , still on the gel 10mg ed, going to run that for two weeks then jump on the clomid day 1 150mg 2-12 100mg ed then tapper half every 10 days wait a month and get some blood work done, i just got my most recent blood work and in the process of getting them scanned
I would think HCG every 2nd day at 250iu, stopping when you've tapered your T gel, then running the clomid only.
Swale - is this what you would recommend ?
Swale - is this what you would recommend ?
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brian95 said:
Hi guys,
I don't get it. Twice a week is far too little. I see this "protocol" popping up regularly. It wrong! It is wrong because it doesn't match the pharmacokinetical properties of HCG. What I mean to say: you have to adjust the dosage and the injection frequnecy to the half life of the active product (in this case HCG) and to the effects that one dosage of HCG has.
This site mentions the half life. It is approximately 33 hours. That number correlates greatly with my personal HCG experience in the past.
http://home.intekom.com/pharm/donmed/pregnyl.html
So, in my humble opinion, you should have to take HCG daily or EOD. And yes, take it in small amounts: it has a short half life. If you would take it in large amounts, you would create supraphysiological peaklevels....and that's exactly what we are NOT trying to do in TRT, do we?
rgds,
Axl
