Post injection pain with high concentrate preperations

[Sworder]

Ok so my basic understanding of why post injection pain occurs when using high concentrate compounds(Test E/C 400+mg/ml) is that the oil gets metabolized quickly leaving behind the testosterone enanthate crystals which cause pain. The idea of crystals being in the muscle makes you imagine something sharp and glass-like in which it would make sense that it is causing pain. I am not sure though that this is the case or maybe it is, need some reassurance!
Does the testosterone enanthate crystallize in the muscle?
The same process observed when crystals are visible in a vial?
Wouldn't your body temperature be high enough to prevent crystallization?
Then on another notion the reasoning to why winstrol causes more post injection pain is that water is metabolized even faster than oil leaving behind the winny which causes pain.
Testosterone propionate causes pain because it is a shorter ester and has a higher melting point and ...?
Or is the pain caused by a higher level solvents?

Please feel free to clear up any and all confusion I have presented or if you believe this to be true state so!! Thanks beforehand.

 

[The Jason Bourne]

I think Test E does crystallize in the muscle. I wondered the same thing (if it would be prevented with body temperature) but melting point is over 200 so I am assuming that has something to do with it.

 

[Sworder]

testosterone ENANTHATE
melting point=32-36C
molecular weight=400.61

I believe this number to be accurate as I have seen similar results from other websites as well.

 

[whitegato777]

With 400mg per ml test cyp if I use under 2mls and boil it first I don't have any problems.

 

[Dr JIM]

The discomfort is typically caused by two factors osmotic distention and chemical inflammation from the preservative usually benzyl alcohol (as much as 3% in some preparations)
If the AAS concentration is doubled so must the preservative to maintain quality and sterility.
"Precipitation" should only occurs if complexes form with physiologic electrolytes, which may (although quite unusual, IME) happen with repetitive injections in the same location rarely requiring
drainage for a "sterile abscess"
Jim

 

[Sworder]

Chemical inflammation is what I would think the main cause would be. But most recipes you see for high dosed preparations are still using the 2% BA and 20% BB. Sent a message to my source to see what % of solvents he uses. The reason to why I would doubt this is that my muscle tissue is used to 2% and I have 0 soreness at all with that. What is making me doubt it as well is all this crystal talk(forum dogma?). I see many flaws in the crystal causation though or I don't have enough information about it. If it would be high BA% (3-4%), I could try to boil off some of the alcohol like whitegato suggested. I feel that it can compromise the integrity of the testosterone enanthate through oxidation though which is why I would prefer not to do this as a first resort. If nothing else I could make my own preparation of 3% BA/oil without the testosterone enanthate to see if there is discomfort. It would be great if somebody who believed in the crystallization would care to enlighted me about that. The most valid point of the crystals causing the pain is the winstrol, the rapid absorption of the aqueous solution leaving the winny to cause discomfort/inflammation. Why test prop hurts I need to find a good answer for too, the higher melting point would be valid in that aspect. There are some things I need cleared before I can make a conclusion!!

 

[Ghandi]

Ok so my basic understanding of why post injection pain occurs when using high concentrate compounds(Test E/C 400+mg/ml) is that the oil gets metabolized quickly leaving behind the testosterone enanthate crystals which cause pain. The idea of crystals being in the muscle makes you imagine something sharp and glass-like in which it would make sense that it is causing pain. I am not sure though that this is the case or maybe it is, need some reassurance!
Does the testosterone enanthate crystallize in the muscle?
The same process observed when crystals are visible in a vial?
Wouldn't your body temperature be high enough to prevent crystallization?
Then on another notion the reasoning to why winstrol causes more post injection pain is that water is metabolized even faster than oil leaving behind the winny which causes pain.
Testosterone propionate causes pain because it is a shorter ester and has a higher melting point and ...?
Or is the pain caused by a higher level solvents?

Please feel free to clear up any and all confusion I have presented or if you believe this to be true state so!! Thanks beforehand.

Can't really comment on the reasons for post injection pain, but I avoid it mostly by heating the vial to a little over body temp before drawing up. Also vigorous rubbing of the injection site afterwards.

 

[Sworder]

Yeah, I run the barrel under scolding tap water when I inject high concentrate preparations!

 

[whitegato777]

I boil it on the stove to make sure all crystals are dissolved but make sure you cool in a lttle before putting it in your pin.

 

[Sworder]

So before you boil it you can visibly see the crystals?

 

[Sworder]

Source says the preparation is 2.5%BA and 20% BB. At those levels it shouldn't cause any discomfort basing it off the fact that my own gear I brew is usually 2% and I can shoot 3ml of that without the slightest.

 

[whitegato777]

Sometimes

 

[Thickneck]

Go get some grape seed oil and cut it in half. 400mg per cc is to concentrated IMO.