Post-menopausal women on Anavar: estrogen supplementation required?

[Snakum]

Just a hypothetical question for those who have a better understanding of women's HRT. Not related to anyone I know. Just curious.

I'm assuming her E1, E2, and E3 levels would show below ref ranges, of course. We're also assuming there is no hx of breast cancer in her family anywhere and she'd be a candidate for HRT anyway.

If she wanted to add a relatively hardcore lifting schedule to her yoga and crossfit to ward off osteoporosis and cuz she always wondered how she could look if she kicked it up a notch ...

Should she go see the PCP about E supplementation if she started Anavar at 5mg x 2 daily for 8 wks?

Should she just try some of the highly touted OTC meds like Promensil while she's on Var?

Should she not worry about her E levels wrt Anavar, cuz Var won't change it anyway?

Should she have already gone on E supplementation years ago, even if she's reluctant cuz of cancer fears?

Should I just tell her "No way ... I love you without bulging muscles and an insane sex drive."?

 

[Snakum]

Oh ... also reading about low-dose test for post menopausal females. Found a pretty amazing paper about it. Gotta look up the studies tho.

https://www.maturitas.org/article/S0378-5122(13)00012-1/pdf

 

[Snakum]

Bored at work and reading a lot about test for postmenopausal women. I'm gonna pick up her last labs tomorrow and take a look. If all is OK we might try a test cyp run then check in a month.

Test seems to do a whole lot more for PM women than just increase sex drive. I had no idea. Can also increase E2, which she needs as well.

 

[Human_backhoe]

Should I just tell her "No way ... I love you without bulging muscles and an insane sex drive."?

Lmao well that is definitely step 1!!!!


Women's HRT in my opinion is so complex! From DHEA to progesterone, testosterone, estrogen. The relationship between all those and more seems to me to be infinitely more complex than male hormones. I have done quite a bit of reading and still don't know if I understand it thoroughly!

 

[Snakum]

I have spent two weeks reading everything I could find and even talked to an endo at the hospital. Based on the mountain of data I have been devouring, I believe the following ...

Postmenopausal women typically have better outcomes and fewer sides when using Test Prop instead of Anavar or Primo. But as with us ... There's always unique body chemistry to contend with.

Postmenopausal women still aromatize test to a degree, just no longer in the ovaries. Thus Estrogen supplementation may not be required.

For a PM female with no personal/familial risks for stroke, cardiac event, breast or cervical cancers Test Prop and bio identical E supplementation is about as safe as anything long term. And both also are cardio protective according to latest info, in addition to increased bone health, etc.

So .... We had labs done and started a course of 10mg Test Prop x 2 per week, along with other supplements and protective compounds. Will monitor labs and results and adjust as required.

If anyone is interested I can keep this thread updated on her results and progress.

 

[Human_backhoe]

I have spent two weeks reading everything I could find and even talked to an endo at the hospital. Based on the mountain of data I have been devouring, I believe the following ...

Postmenopausal women typically have better outcomes and fewer sides when using Test Prop instead of Anavar or Primo. But as with us ... There's always unique body chemistry to contend with.

Postmenopausal women still aromatize test to a degree, just no longer in the ovaries. Thus Estrogen supplementation may not be required.

For a PM female with no personal/familial risks for stroke, cardiac event, breast or cervical cancers Test Prop and bio identical E supplementation is about as safe as anything long term. And both also are cardio protective according to latest info, in addition to increased bone health, etc.

So .... We had labs done and started a course of 10mg Test Prop x 2 per week, along with other supplements and protective compounds. Will monitor labs and results and adjust as required.

If anyone is interested I can keep this thread updated on her results and progress.

Definitely keep this one going!! It would be much appreciated.

 

[BovaJP]

Hi there!
Post menopausal woman here.....i have been using Test Cyp for about 3-4 yrs now actually.
My Estrogen and Progesterone levels were low as well. I chose only to increase testosterone at the time and not add in estrogen/progesterone.
As I used Test Cyp, my e did come up a bit, but not much. Just this year decided to give that a go (fyi.....my gyno told me i needed it).
So i don't use it regularly like i should LOL (estrogen).
And also, something i just discovered this year, but not sure how long it has been going on is a receding hairline...freaked me the fxck out so I stopped test immediately LOL. Going to have a convo with my hormone doc about this.
A friend of a friend says his wife uses Primo for HRT. So trying that out right now LOL.

Good luck to you and yours! Do what works for her. You are doing great, doing your research (that is what I did), and ask questions, etc.
Then lastly, start out slow and increase from there; and decrease where you need to. Never know how women's bodies will react.

 

[Snakum]

Thanks for the info ... Much appreciated. I've had a tough time lately due to an injury back in September causing several several weeks in and out of hospital with surgeries and whatnot. She's been in the gym as much as possible and I got back (lightly) two weeks ago. So I haven't been able to update the thread.

She's still on 10 mgs Prop x 2 weekly. She was on 1500 cals per day and has been very disciplined with her macros. She was upset because her weight went up. But I kept pushing her towards the mirror and away from the scales. Her body is transforming completely. Her bis, tris, and delts are popping and her glutes are full and round. Amazing results six weeks in even with the disturbances due to my health issues.

So this week we're adjusting her calories to start cutting and stepping up the workouts. She's now stripping on the last set of each exercise and we keep moving between sets with either abs or calves. No rest. Lol.

She hasn't noticed any bad sides from the prop. No voice issues, no extra hair, no shedding head hair, no BP rise. Her skin is noticeably oilier but that's a good thing at her age. She likes that side. Sex drive also increasing and that's my reward for putting in the time with her. Lol.

So far ... So good. Got labs coming soon and we'll make sure its all good.

 

[Snakum]

Oh ... Shoulda mentioned we started at 5mg x 2 initially and went to 10 x 2 at 4 wks in.