Post third cycle bloods. Low e2, prolactin

[midlifegains]

Hello all. I've been learning from these forums for a while now. Thanks for all your contributions. As an aside, I've recently submitted GenX Genotropin HGH for testing and will post the results when I get them.

I'm currently in PCT post-third cycle and planning my next cycle. It will probably be test and primo for 10 weeks. I've included previous cycles, body comp, strength gains, physical progress, diet, sleep, and exercise below.

Current PCT
2/12 50mg clomidphen. 40mg. tamoxifen
2/19 50mg clomidphen. 20mg. tamoxifen
2/26 25mg clomidphen. 20mg. tamoxifen
3/4 25mg clomidphen. 20mg. tamoxifen. 1 x aromasin 25mg BLOODS*
3/11 12.5mg clomidphen. 10mg. tamoxifen 2 x aromasin 6.25mg
3/18 12.5mg clomidphen. 10mg. tamoxifen 1 x aromasin 6.25mg

Weeks 3-5 of PCT (5-7 weeks post cycle) I was feeling really moody, irritable, depressed, oily skin, zero libido, itchy nipples in week four of my PCT. I took 25mg Aromasin 3 days before my bloods drawn 3/6.

I subsequently reduced the SERMS and started taking 6.25mg of aromasin e3d. I have been feeling MUCH better the last two weeks and am still improving. I am finally making gains again at the gym, my libido is returning, and my general mood is improving. I went for bloods again today and will see where I'm sitting. If all is good, I'll cease the SERMS and get bloods again in three weeks.

Annoying in retrospect I didn't get the bloods before taking the aromasin, but I was really bothered and thought it likely I had high estrogen. The e2 result (which took 13 days) is lower than the normal range 7.45 pg/mL (10-50 reference). Not sure if the aromasin could have brought it down that far from being elevated, or if it was already low... Are itchy nipples only associated with high e2? They still bother me a bit by the third day w/out aro.

Next time I think I'll for a gentler PCT and maybe include HCG for a week first. Also might go for Test P instead of E, at least for the end of the cycle. I'll also get bloods during the cycle and 3 weeks from the end, before beginning PCT.

Cheers.



==STATS==

39
6'0
86 kg
15% BF

==GOALS FOR NEXT CYCLE==

• Lean gains
• Continued increased strength.
• Reduce body fat.

Ideally, I'd like to drop as much body fat as possible while still gaining.

I've been keeping up the calories in PCT to avoid muscle loss, so I added some fat. At what point post-cycle does it make sense to have a calorie deficit, or does it at all? I've dropped from 25% to 15% body fat in the last year, so I'm definitely going in the right direction. It would be nice to drop a few more percent for summer, either on or off-cycle.

Then, what is a strong combo for lean gains and appropriate for an intermediate 4th cycle?

==CYCLES==

First cycle - 8 weeks in April / May.
Test Pyramid 125 -> 375mg 1/w
HGH 3 IU / d am first thing
4 weeks
Clomiphen 50mg

Second Cycle - 8 weeks c/ 17/7/23
4 weeks
30mg turo am
500mg test pw
10mg Cardarine

4 weeks
500mg test pw
10mg Cardarine

Third Cycle - 8 weeks Dec / Jan
8 weeks
500 mg test p/w
10 mg cardarine

2 weeks off (3 since last pinc)

Current PCT
2/12 50mg clomidphen. 40mg. tamoxifen
2/19 50mg clomidphen. 20mg. tamoxifen
2/26 25mg clomidphen. 20mg. tamoxifen
3/4 25mg clomidphen. 20mg. tamoxifen. BLOODS*
3/11 12.5mg clomidphen. 10mg. tamoxifen
3/18 12.5mg clomidphen. 10mg. tamoxifen

==BODY COMP==

Weight: (Jan 23 - Now)
According to withings.
88kg
Muscle +11.5 kg
Fat: -5.5kg

Dexa bf%:
9/8/22 25.1%
13/10/23 15.0%

Weight, Fat, Muscle




==STRENGTH GAINS==

Solid gains in last year.
Squat + 120%
Row + 120%
Lat Pull + 80%
Bench + 80%
Shoulders +70%
Bicep curl +80%
Triceps +70%







==Physical Progress==

Now




2023 - October




2023 - July



2023 - April




==DIET==

I'll post updates but my diet is very good. Been targeting 3500 cals + exercise.
7am. 6eggs,2 bananas,200g greek yoghurt
10am. 400g fresh fruit (berries, melon, mango, papaya, similar)
1pm. Fresh seafood or chicken or meat with fresh vegetables and salad
6pm. Fresh seafood or chicken or meat with fresh vegetables and salad
120g protein powder/bar total throughout day.

==SLEEP==

8 hours.

==EXERCISE==
Gym 4 days off cycle. Will post.
Swim/Bicycle 1-2 days. Need to increase off cycle.

 

[midlifegains]

So I did bloods last week - two weeks after the bloods posted above and they are much better, at least to my eye.

As a result, I've ceased clomid and nolva. Still taking aromasin 12.5 e3d.

I will test again in three weeks with a view to kicking off the next cycle.

Key improvements.
Liver Health, Test, Free Test, Estrogen, Prolactin, LH, FSH.

Note I was coming off cycle 10th October. Disregard results.




Full results.

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[Jin23]

So I did bloods last week - two weeks after the bloods posted above and they are much better, at least to my eye.

As a result, I've ceased clomid and nolva. Still taking aromasin 12.5 e3d.

I will test again in three weeks with a view to kicking off the next cycle.

Key improvements.
Liver Health, Test, Free Test, Estrogen, Prolactin, LH, FSH.

Note I was coming off cycle 10th October. Disregard results.

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Full results.

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You should really stop taking aromasin as E2 is crashed which is really unhealthy. To answer your question in OP: if your androgens are nill, yes, you can develop gyno issues with much lower estrogen numbers. However, serm's (ralox being the best, followed by tamox) are what you need for reversing or keeping gyno at bay, not low estrogen (although it does help, but not as much as serm's). And do use hcg next time through the cycle. I don't understand why people who cycle (not bc) don't use it. Makes pct a breeze and keeps gonadal function healthy.

Did you get another test for CK and albumin?

 

[midlifegains]

Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.

I think my e2 is ok atm. 30.1 pg/ml/ 10-50 is standard range. I don't know why this report shows 60-190 as 'optimal'.

I intended to use HCG post-cycle but before serms for a week next time. Are you suggesting I use it throughout the cycle as well?

I'll include CK and albumin in the next tests... Total private testing cost is high here in Spain..

 

[Jin23]

Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.

I think my e2 is ok atm. 30.1 pg/ml/ 10-50 is standard range. I don't know why this report shows 60-190 as 'optimal'.

I intended to use HCG post-cycle but before serms for a week next time. Are you suggesting I use it throughout the cycle as well?

I'll include CK and albumin in the next tests... Total private testing cost is high here in Spain..

Ah, I just glanced over the results and saw the range and my head thought it was pmol/l. Yes your e2 is fine. But stop using an Ai nonetheless, let your body rebalance it's hormones.

Yes, hcg throughout the cycle. Keeps the leydig cells active and keeps them from dying, makes pct a breeze.

Labs for CK and albumin? If not, do another test. That were the most worrying biomarkers from your results.

 

[midlifegains]

Great, thanks again.

So just deal with the mildly sensitive nipples and let body rebalance? Sounds good.

Noted re HCG.

Will update on CK and albumin

 

[Jin23]

So just deal with the mildly sensitive nipples and let body rebalance?

I would use ralox for your current gyno issues. It's a bit of an unpleasant situation as you just used serm's for 6 weeks (if I understand correctly) but seeing as you have active gyno issues, I wouldn't just let this "resolve by it self". Do you have lumps?

Regarding ck and albumin, it was probably a bit of dehydration and a slight muscle tear, but I'd still like to have an eye on it.

 

[midlifegains]

The only issue is sensitive nipples, as far as I can tell.