JoeyNess
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hi i was wondering what are the names of steroids that are in
canadian pharmacies and allowed to be prescriptions in canada
canadian pharmacies and allowed to be prescriptions in canada
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Anabolic Steroids
prescription steroids in canada?
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bigslick
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In Canada anabolic steroids are illegal under the Controlled Foods and Substances Act, Schedule VI.
PDP
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No, in Canada possession is legal. You do not need a script. You can inject 3ccs of Upjohn test infront of a cop and, besides being hassled and investigated, you will not (legally) go to jail.
Buying, selling and importing is illegal. Therefore, in reality the U.S. and Canada are very similar when it comes to the practical aspects of the steroid trade and the legal ramifcations of fucking around with these controlled substances.
Buying, selling and importing is illegal. Therefore, in reality the U.S. and Canada are very similar when it comes to the practical aspects of the steroid trade and the legal ramifcations of fucking around with these controlled substances.
JoeyNess
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hey i found an intresting story on another forum
some canadian guy got caught with steroids in his home but the cops didn't take his roids or arrest him and just left his home
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=157248
some canadian guy got caught with steroids in his home but the cops didn't take his roids or arrest him and just left his home
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=157248
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PDP
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Bigkarch said:
Although my first year of law school was a long time ago and my practice has nothing to do with that kind of law... you can trust me on this one...
Reminder - AAS is a Schedule IV substance...
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, [1996, c. 19]
4. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II or III.
Obtaining substance
(2) No person shall seek or obtain
(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or
(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV
from a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.
The Act goes on and on... but as you can see possession of a Schedule IV substance is not prohibited
Schedule IV includes:
(1)
Androisoxazole (17--hydroxy--17?--methylandrostano [3,2--c]isoxazole)
(2)
Androstanolone (17--hydroxy--5?--androstan--3--one)
(3)
Androstenediol (androst--5--ene--3,17--diol)
(4)
Bolandiol (estr--4--ene--3,17--diol)
(5)
Bolasterone (17--hydroxy--7?,17--dimethylandrost --4--en--3--one)
(6)
Bolazine (17--hydroxy--2?--methyl--5?--androstan--3--one azine)
(7)
Boldenone (17--hydroxyandrosta--1,4--dien--3--one)
(8)
Bolenol (19--nor--17?--pregn--5--en--17--ol)
(9)
Calusterone (17--hydroxy--7,17--dimethylandrost--4 --en--3--one)
(10)
Clostebol (4--chloro--17--hydroxyandrost--4--en--3--one)
(11)
Drostanolone (17--hydroxy--2?--methyl--5?--androstan--3 --one)
(12)
Enestebol (4, 17--dihydroxy--17--methylandrosta--1,4 --dien--3--one)
(13)
Epitiostanol (2?, 3?--epithio--5?--androstan--17--ol)
(14)
Ethylestrenol (19--nor--17?--pregn--4--en--17--ol)
(15)
4--Hydroxy--19--nor testosterone
(16)
Fluoxymesterone (9--fluoro--11,17 --dihydroxy--17--methylandrost--4--en--3--one)
(17)
Formebolone (11?, 17--dihydroxy--17--methyl--3 --oxoandrosta--1,4 di--en--2--carboxaldehyde)
(18)
Furazabol (17--methyl--5?--androstano[2,3--c] furazan--17--ol)
(19)
Mebolazine (17--hydroxy--2?,17--dimethyl-- 5?--androstan--3--one azine)
(20)
Mesabolone (17--[(1--methoxycyclohexyl)oxy] --5?--androst--1--en--3--one)
(21)
Mesterolone (17--hydroxy--1?--methyl-- 5?--androstan--3--one)
(22)
Metandienone (17--hydroxy--17--methylandrosta--1,4 --dien--3--one)
(23)
Metenolone (17--hydroxy--1--methyl--5?--androst--1 --en--3--one)
(24)
Methandriol (17?--methylandrost--5--ene--3,17--diol)
(25)
Methyltestosterone (17--hydroxy--17--methylandrost --4--en--3--one)
(26)
Metribolone (17--hydroxy--17--methylestra--4, 9,11--trien--3--one)
(27)
Mibolerone (17--hydroxy--7?,17--dimethylestr--4 --en--3--one)
(28)
Nandrolone (17--hydroxyestr--4--en--3--one)
(29)
Norboletone (13--ethyl--17--hydroxy--18, 19--dinorpregn--4--en--3--one)
(30)
Norclostebol (4--chloro--17--hydroxyestr--4--en--3--one)
(31)
Norethandrolone (17?--ethyl--17--hydroxyestr --4--en--3--one)
(32)
Oxabolone (4,17--dihydroxyestr--4--en--3--one)
(33)
Oxandrolone (17--hydroxy--17--methyl--2--oxa --5?--androstan--3--one)
(34)
Oxymesterone (4,17--dihydroxy--17--methylandrost --4--en--3--one)
(35)
Oxymetholone (17--hydroxy--2--(hydroxymethylene) --17--methyl--5?--androstan--3--one)
(36)
Prasterone (3--hydroxyandrost--5--en--17--one)
(37)
Quinbolone (17--(1--cyclopenten--1--yloxy) androsta--1,4--dien--3--one)
(38)
Stanozolol (17--hydroxy--17--methyl--5?--androstano [3,2--c]pyrazole)
(39)
Stenbolone (17--hydroxy--2--methyl--5?--androst --1--en--3--one)
(40)
Testosterone (17--hydroxyandrost--4--en--3--one)
(41)
Tibolone ((7?,17?)-17--hydroxy--7--methyl--19--norpregn-- 5(10) en--20--yn--3--one)
(42)
Tiomesterone (1?,7?--bis(acetylthio)--17 --hydroxy--17--methylandrost--4--en--3--one)
(43)
Trenbolone (17--hydroxyestra--4,9,11--trien--3--one)
If you are interested you can read the entire Act here:
http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-38.8/
PDP
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BTW although it may seem that Canada is more liberal in that you can possess AAS, as you can see from Schedue IV, you cannot buy, sell or import Andro or most pro-steroid type compounds (because most of these compunds actually ARE steroids, no matter what people may say)
bigslick
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PDP said:Reminder - AAS is a Schedule IV substance...
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, [1996, c. 19]
Obtaining substance
(2) No person shall seek or obtain
(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or
(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV
from a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.
I don't live in Canada and am not familiar with the law there, but I do practice the law in the US and it appears that the important clause is
" (2)NO PERSON SHALL SEEK OR OBTAIN A SUBSTANCE INCLUDED IN SCHEDULE I,II,III,OR IV (IV BEING STERIODS). So if IV is steriods, then the mere possession would be a criminal violation.
I think this would be a good thread for the new legal forum, maybe a mod can move it. I am not meaning to be argumentative, I think this is a good topic as a extended trip to Canada is comming up for me with business and if I can have the goods there more power to me
PDP
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Bigkarch said:
Yes to both and I am also 2nd generation Hungarian (no shit - I don't speak it though, Dad left during the revolution, he lived around Debretsen (sp?)) My law practice is corporate/commercial but I have investigated Canadian law relating to steroids, mostly during law school (for obvious reasons, LOL)
bigslick
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Steroids are legal in Canada I will be referring to the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, or the CDSA.
First, some key law terms for the purposes of this article:
The two biggest terms are
Possession: a) a person has anything in possession when he has it in his personal possessions or knowingly
i) has it in the actual possession or custody of another person, or
ii) has it in any place, whether or not that place belongs to or is occupied by him, for the use or benefit of himself or of another person; and
iii ) where one of two or more persons, with the knowledge and consent of the rest, has anything in his custody or possession, it shall be deemed to be in the custody and possession of each and all of them
Traffic: means in respect of a substance included in any of Schedules I to IV
a ) to sell, administer, give, transfer, transport, send or deliver the substance, or
b ) to sell an authorization to obtain the substance, or
c ) to offer to do anything mentioned in paragraph a ) or b )
otherwise than under the authority (doctor, pharmacist)of the regulations
Now, as you can see, traffic means a lot more then just selling. Brining your bros gear over to his house or even offering to get some send to your house for him, ect brings you from possession to traffic. Remember that for later, thatll change things considerably.
Steroids are Schedule IV drugs. Basically, Schedules are priority as far as the government is concerned, with Schedule I being the most dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin, Schedule II including cannabis and its derivatives (this will change) and Schedule III being most of the other dangerous drugs such as amphetamines and LSD. Schedule IV drugs are drugs considered dangerous but also used for therapeutic reasons. Check out the list of steroids on Schedule IV drugs.
Schedule IV list
And for those who say Great, I can just get an obscure steroid not on the list and buy and sell as I please
Well, because of the phrase anabolic steroids and their derivatives, plus the lengthy list of steroids, which even includes such drugs as furazabol and clostebol, no can do. As well, the Governor General has the discretion to add and remove any thing he wants basically from the Schedules. This however, is more for the days when chemists would manufacture drugs like amphetamines slightly different chemically then listed. It is for this reason too that the phrase and their derivatives, salts, isomers and analogues are often beside the names of common drugs. This doesn't really have to do with steroids, though it does apply to them.
OK, so we have the terms and such out of the way. Now for actual offences, I need to teach you a bit about offences. Bare with me please, you'll learn alot. The CDSA is all criminal. The word offence means indictable or serious offence in other words, or summary offence, which is for less serious crimes is usually the discretion of the Crown and basically with summary offences they arent too serious compared to indictable offences. If you get off with a slap on the wrist then you were charged on summary conviction more then likely. However, because most crimes range in scope, you usually dont see summary offences, but dual or hybrid offences in most Law. This means that the officer would arrest, charge and then send them to the Crown, where depending on the circumstances leading to the arrest they would either charge summary, which would be a fine and minimal jail time, or an indictable offence, which is serious stuff.
Heres the kicker. Police have a lot more power if its an indictable offence and when something comes along that is a dual or hybrid offence theyll treat it as if its indictable anyways, and thus scaring the sh*t outta you if it is something that would more then likely be summary.
Heres where everyone says steroids are legal. The CDSA doesnt actually say that possessions of Schedule IV drugs are legal. They say that (except as authorized) no person shall possess a substance in Schedule I, II or III (CDSA, section 4)
Thats basically it. Theyre saying that even if you dont have authorization, mere possession by the definition above is basically not illegal. They arent really saying its legal, though in the editors notes on the former drug laws, it states
As was the case under Part III of the Food and Drugs act, simple possession of Schedule IV drugs is not an offence (not really important, just backing up that it never states its legal)
Note, there is a possession offence when it comes to Schedule IV drugs , just its not thought as possession but more fraud. Referred to as double doctoring, under CDSA section 4, its illegal to seek any scheduled drug from a doctor without telling him if you have been prescribed a scheduled drug in the last 30 days. If the Crown charges with indictable, it depends on the schedule the person attempted to double doctor, if by summary, the scheduled drug doesnt matter. This sounds like something one would do to stock pile some test huh?
From here on in, any drug referred to I means a Schedule IV drug, unless specified
Now heres where everything changes:
Trafficking- if youre gonna get charged for anything steroid related in Canada, its probably some sort of trafficking
By definition, a lot is trafficking. Hell, talking about ordering them is technically trafficking.
Trafficking in substance: 1) No person shall traffic in a substance included in Schedule I,II,III,IV or in any substance represented or held out by that person to be such a substance (like fake stuff, good for the scamming bastards) (CDSA, section 5)
More specifically, where the subject matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV,
i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or
ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year (this basically means fines, probation etc.)
I know it sucks, but holding drugs for a friend, or not getting any payment and giving away juice is still trafficking, and its been tried many times (though not all for steroids, but other Schedule IV drugs).
Giving to a friend even to hold for safekeeping ISan offence.
Good news, for the purpose of transporting under trafficking, if its transportation for your use, then thats not trafficking (i.e., you drive home to shoot up after buying the pins and the a cop finds 20 amps of sust, you cant be nailed for trafficking, thats possession, which isn't an offence! )....course, they can be seized, but more on that later.
Here are some more questions and scenarios that have come up with regards to trafficking Schedule IV drugs,
-You buy for someone else, its trafficking
-Your buddy tells you where you can get some, he is not charged with trafficking, but aiding and abetting the possession of a narcotic.
-If your buddy gets any profit or reward or physically brings you over and helps deal, its trafficking
-Joking to a cop about selling is trafficking
-If the person is trafficking and neither know its illegal, still trafficking
Importing and exporting: (CDSA, section 6)
(except as authorized) no person shall import into Canada or export from Canada a substance included in Schedule I-IV. You may also not possess it for the purposes of exporting.
Now, everyone who does this and the drug is either Schedule III or IV
i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to prison for a term not exceeding ten years, or
ii) is guilty of a summary conviction and liable to a term not exceeding 18 months
So basically, if you are caught getting anything imported into Canada, you can be charged pretty heavy. Or if you get caught even sending a few amps of cyp to the US, you can still be charged heavily. However, youd probably be charged on summary punishment if anything and again, thats not as serious.
Production of a Substance: (CDSA, section 7)
(except as authorized) no person shall produce a substance in Schedule I-IV
Specifically Schedule IV : Guilty of an indictable offence not exceeding three years, or guilty of a summary offence not exceeding one year
So watch out, just making tren is illegal, and I believe that the pellets would technically be illegal for the purpose of importing/exporting, even comp Th, which you have to do to make tren as it is!
More Sentencing Stuff: (CDSA, section 10)
In relation to all the charges mentioned, if the offence was done carrying or using or threatening with a weapon, trafficked near or in a school/other places frequented by those under 18, or even in relation to a person under 18 years of age, the court can consider this an aggravating factor and impose more punishment. Oh, and importing something is considered an aggravating factor. That sucks. If you get nailed for trafficking and then they find it was imported, they can boost the punishment.
Seizures (CDSA, 11):
Heres how they a cop can seize your gear legally, even if not to charge you. Im gonna put this into laymans terms cause otherwise, its pretty confusing.
BTW, peace officer means police officer. A justice who has been given written proof (called an information) that
a ) any offence in the CDSA has been commited
b ) any thing which a controlled substance or precursor referred to in the CDSA is contained or concealed
c ) offence related property or anything that will afford evidence in respect of an offence under the CDSA is in a place and may be moved or destroyed may issue a warrant authorizing a peace officer, at any time, to search a place for any scheduled drug and to seize it.
So a cop needs to get a warrant if he has reasonable grounds (more then suspicion) that any offence in the CDSA is happening. If the warrant is for say cocaine (so youre fucked anyways) and he sees you in possession with steroids while executing the warrant, it doesnt matter thats possession isnt illegal, he can still seize them cause they're scheduled (though youre probably shitting about the cocaine, right?)
Im not gonna get into warrants and stuff, cause a lot of it is really geared towards hard drugs, as most of the CDSA is, but basically, if he sees it and its a scheduled substance, he can seize it no questions asked, even if he cant charge you with possession.
Oh, and a nice little tool cops can use is under the same section is subsection (7). Basically, if he has a reason to get a CDSA warrant and has reason to believe that taking the time to get a warrant would be impracticable, he can proceed with all the powers of having said warrant!! AND, there's no definition for impracticable in the whole Criminal Code AND if he's acting on "good faith", then it's tough to contest the search and seizure, unless there's major Freedom of Rights violations.
Now relax. Steroids are far from priority. Schedule I and II are the one's they're worried about, as they have the heaviest penalties (you can get 7 years for just possession of schedule I drugs, life for trafficking schedule I and II drugs). The fact that there are no actual possession laws technically for steroids or specifically Schedule IV drugs is a good indication its not priority. As well, trafficking schedule I and II drugs doesnt even have a summary punishment, just indictable, wheres schedule IV carries with it both indictable and summary.
Trust me, if you do somehow get nailed with trafficking juice, youll probably get a fine or something, and lose your juice, unless you are distributing, or a source which is why they made it a dual offence to traffic steroids and other schedule IV drugs.
To actually nail you with one of these in a steroid related offence, you'd have to be "found committing" an offence first off. If not and the cop doesn't see you "commit the offence", he'd have to form reasonable grounds to believe an indictable ofence had occured or will occure. Well, I doubt any cop would take the time to go through what would likely be thrown out of court or at most a summary punishment. While researching this , I couldn't even find any steroid case law, which means that no one bothers to defend steroid charges here in Canada cause they get off lightly, are nailed heavily(distribution wise), the lose the case with no real defence or they accept a plea.
However, these laws are very real, and though your chances of getting nailed for 20 amps are pretty slim, let's look at how you could get charged.
Say you and friend talk about ordering from the chinaman for yourselves, and do so.
Well, right there, you've committed importing/exporting offences as well as trafficking offences. Say for some reason you or your buddy is under 18? Aggravatted offences, so more penalties. Plus the physical transfer of cash and the gear is trafficking.
Say you want to make some tren? Well, unless there's something I don't know, comp TH or tren pellets are in fact as listed in Schedule IV under "Anabolic Steroids and their derivatives -(43) Trenbolone"
So there you have importing, and mabe trafficking for buying it. Course, they could nail you with traficing if they wanted then use importation as an aggrivating factor....
Anyways, just be careful bros. Cause there are cops who know this stuff, just most either don't bother to learn or don't bother to enforce. You get caught with juice, you probably won't even get them seized, but remember, there's always a way for the government to get you, and besides, do you really want to supply some cops next cycle?
IMO: steroids aren't legal in Canada.
slick...
First, some key law terms for the purposes of this article:
The two biggest terms are
Possession: a) a person has anything in possession when he has it in his personal possessions or knowingly
i) has it in the actual possession or custody of another person, or
ii) has it in any place, whether or not that place belongs to or is occupied by him, for the use or benefit of himself or of another person; and
iii ) where one of two or more persons, with the knowledge and consent of the rest, has anything in his custody or possession, it shall be deemed to be in the custody and possession of each and all of them
Traffic: means in respect of a substance included in any of Schedules I to IV
a ) to sell, administer, give, transfer, transport, send or deliver the substance, or
b ) to sell an authorization to obtain the substance, or
c ) to offer to do anything mentioned in paragraph a ) or b )
otherwise than under the authority (doctor, pharmacist)of the regulations
Now, as you can see, traffic means a lot more then just selling. Brining your bros gear over to his house or even offering to get some send to your house for him, ect brings you from possession to traffic. Remember that for later, thatll change things considerably.
Steroids are Schedule IV drugs. Basically, Schedules are priority as far as the government is concerned, with Schedule I being the most dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin, Schedule II including cannabis and its derivatives (this will change) and Schedule III being most of the other dangerous drugs such as amphetamines and LSD. Schedule IV drugs are drugs considered dangerous but also used for therapeutic reasons. Check out the list of steroids on Schedule IV drugs.
Schedule IV list
And for those who say Great, I can just get an obscure steroid not on the list and buy and sell as I please
Well, because of the phrase anabolic steroids and their derivatives, plus the lengthy list of steroids, which even includes such drugs as furazabol and clostebol, no can do. As well, the Governor General has the discretion to add and remove any thing he wants basically from the Schedules. This however, is more for the days when chemists would manufacture drugs like amphetamines slightly different chemically then listed. It is for this reason too that the phrase and their derivatives, salts, isomers and analogues are often beside the names of common drugs. This doesn't really have to do with steroids, though it does apply to them.
OK, so we have the terms and such out of the way. Now for actual offences, I need to teach you a bit about offences. Bare with me please, you'll learn alot. The CDSA is all criminal. The word offence means indictable or serious offence in other words, or summary offence, which is for less serious crimes is usually the discretion of the Crown and basically with summary offences they arent too serious compared to indictable offences. If you get off with a slap on the wrist then you were charged on summary conviction more then likely. However, because most crimes range in scope, you usually dont see summary offences, but dual or hybrid offences in most Law. This means that the officer would arrest, charge and then send them to the Crown, where depending on the circumstances leading to the arrest they would either charge summary, which would be a fine and minimal jail time, or an indictable offence, which is serious stuff.
Heres the kicker. Police have a lot more power if its an indictable offence and when something comes along that is a dual or hybrid offence theyll treat it as if its indictable anyways, and thus scaring the sh*t outta you if it is something that would more then likely be summary.
Heres where everyone says steroids are legal. The CDSA doesnt actually say that possessions of Schedule IV drugs are legal. They say that (except as authorized) no person shall possess a substance in Schedule I, II or III (CDSA, section 4)
Thats basically it. Theyre saying that even if you dont have authorization, mere possession by the definition above is basically not illegal. They arent really saying its legal, though in the editors notes on the former drug laws, it states
As was the case under Part III of the Food and Drugs act, simple possession of Schedule IV drugs is not an offence (not really important, just backing up that it never states its legal)
Note, there is a possession offence when it comes to Schedule IV drugs , just its not thought as possession but more fraud. Referred to as double doctoring, under CDSA section 4, its illegal to seek any scheduled drug from a doctor without telling him if you have been prescribed a scheduled drug in the last 30 days. If the Crown charges with indictable, it depends on the schedule the person attempted to double doctor, if by summary, the scheduled drug doesnt matter. This sounds like something one would do to stock pile some test huh?
From here on in, any drug referred to I means a Schedule IV drug, unless specified
Now heres where everything changes:
Trafficking- if youre gonna get charged for anything steroid related in Canada, its probably some sort of trafficking
By definition, a lot is trafficking. Hell, talking about ordering them is technically trafficking.
Trafficking in substance: 1) No person shall traffic in a substance included in Schedule I,II,III,IV or in any substance represented or held out by that person to be such a substance (like fake stuff, good for the scamming bastards) (CDSA, section 5)
More specifically, where the subject matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV,
i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or
ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year (this basically means fines, probation etc.)
I know it sucks, but holding drugs for a friend, or not getting any payment and giving away juice is still trafficking, and its been tried many times (though not all for steroids, but other Schedule IV drugs).
Giving to a friend even to hold for safekeeping ISan offence.
Good news, for the purpose of transporting under trafficking, if its transportation for your use, then thats not trafficking (i.e., you drive home to shoot up after buying the pins and the a cop finds 20 amps of sust, you cant be nailed for trafficking, thats possession, which isn't an offence! )....course, they can be seized, but more on that later.
Here are some more questions and scenarios that have come up with regards to trafficking Schedule IV drugs,
-You buy for someone else, its trafficking
-Your buddy tells you where you can get some, he is not charged with trafficking, but aiding and abetting the possession of a narcotic.
-If your buddy gets any profit or reward or physically brings you over and helps deal, its trafficking
-Joking to a cop about selling is trafficking
-If the person is trafficking and neither know its illegal, still trafficking
Importing and exporting: (CDSA, section 6)
(except as authorized) no person shall import into Canada or export from Canada a substance included in Schedule I-IV. You may also not possess it for the purposes of exporting.
Now, everyone who does this and the drug is either Schedule III or IV
i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to prison for a term not exceeding ten years, or
ii) is guilty of a summary conviction and liable to a term not exceeding 18 months
So basically, if you are caught getting anything imported into Canada, you can be charged pretty heavy. Or if you get caught even sending a few amps of cyp to the US, you can still be charged heavily. However, youd probably be charged on summary punishment if anything and again, thats not as serious.
Production of a Substance: (CDSA, section 7)
(except as authorized) no person shall produce a substance in Schedule I-IV
Specifically Schedule IV : Guilty of an indictable offence not exceeding three years, or guilty of a summary offence not exceeding one year
So watch out, just making tren is illegal, and I believe that the pellets would technically be illegal for the purpose of importing/exporting, even comp Th, which you have to do to make tren as it is!
More Sentencing Stuff: (CDSA, section 10)
In relation to all the charges mentioned, if the offence was done carrying or using or threatening with a weapon, trafficked near or in a school/other places frequented by those under 18, or even in relation to a person under 18 years of age, the court can consider this an aggravating factor and impose more punishment. Oh, and importing something is considered an aggravating factor. That sucks. If you get nailed for trafficking and then they find it was imported, they can boost the punishment.
Seizures (CDSA, 11):
Heres how they a cop can seize your gear legally, even if not to charge you. Im gonna put this into laymans terms cause otherwise, its pretty confusing.
BTW, peace officer means police officer. A justice who has been given written proof (called an information) that
a ) any offence in the CDSA has been commited
b ) any thing which a controlled substance or precursor referred to in the CDSA is contained or concealed
c ) offence related property or anything that will afford evidence in respect of an offence under the CDSA is in a place and may be moved or destroyed may issue a warrant authorizing a peace officer, at any time, to search a place for any scheduled drug and to seize it.
So a cop needs to get a warrant if he has reasonable grounds (more then suspicion) that any offence in the CDSA is happening. If the warrant is for say cocaine (so youre fucked anyways) and he sees you in possession with steroids while executing the warrant, it doesnt matter thats possession isnt illegal, he can still seize them cause they're scheduled (though youre probably shitting about the cocaine, right?)
Im not gonna get into warrants and stuff, cause a lot of it is really geared towards hard drugs, as most of the CDSA is, but basically, if he sees it and its a scheduled substance, he can seize it no questions asked, even if he cant charge you with possession.
Oh, and a nice little tool cops can use is under the same section is subsection (7). Basically, if he has a reason to get a CDSA warrant and has reason to believe that taking the time to get a warrant would be impracticable, he can proceed with all the powers of having said warrant!! AND, there's no definition for impracticable in the whole Criminal Code AND if he's acting on "good faith", then it's tough to contest the search and seizure, unless there's major Freedom of Rights violations.
Now relax. Steroids are far from priority. Schedule I and II are the one's they're worried about, as they have the heaviest penalties (you can get 7 years for just possession of schedule I drugs, life for trafficking schedule I and II drugs). The fact that there are no actual possession laws technically for steroids or specifically Schedule IV drugs is a good indication its not priority. As well, trafficking schedule I and II drugs doesnt even have a summary punishment, just indictable, wheres schedule IV carries with it both indictable and summary.
Trust me, if you do somehow get nailed with trafficking juice, youll probably get a fine or something, and lose your juice, unless you are distributing, or a source which is why they made it a dual offence to traffic steroids and other schedule IV drugs.
To actually nail you with one of these in a steroid related offence, you'd have to be "found committing" an offence first off. If not and the cop doesn't see you "commit the offence", he'd have to form reasonable grounds to believe an indictable ofence had occured or will occure. Well, I doubt any cop would take the time to go through what would likely be thrown out of court or at most a summary punishment. While researching this , I couldn't even find any steroid case law, which means that no one bothers to defend steroid charges here in Canada cause they get off lightly, are nailed heavily(distribution wise), the lose the case with no real defence or they accept a plea.
However, these laws are very real, and though your chances of getting nailed for 20 amps are pretty slim, let's look at how you could get charged.
Say you and friend talk about ordering from the chinaman for yourselves, and do so.
Well, right there, you've committed importing/exporting offences as well as trafficking offences. Say for some reason you or your buddy is under 18? Aggravatted offences, so more penalties. Plus the physical transfer of cash and the gear is trafficking.
Say you want to make some tren? Well, unless there's something I don't know, comp TH or tren pellets are in fact as listed in Schedule IV under "Anabolic Steroids and their derivatives -(43) Trenbolone"
So there you have importing, and mabe trafficking for buying it. Course, they could nail you with traficing if they wanted then use importation as an aggrivating factor....
Anyways, just be careful bros. Cause there are cops who know this stuff, just most either don't bother to learn or don't bother to enforce. You get caught with juice, you probably won't even get them seized, but remember, there's always a way for the government to get you, and besides, do you really want to supply some cops next cycle?
IMO: steroids aren't legal in Canada.
slick...
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bigslick said:
You are right, they are FAR from legal. But you may possess them in small quantities and you will not go to jail for it....
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