Problems with pip and lumps

[JBig11]

Hi guys , i need some of your help.

So its my 2nd cycle atm 500mg test e, 500 mg primo /weekly

First cycle test e 500 mg.

So i have some problems with PIP and lets say some kind of "lumps" in the area after injecting.

Im rotating between 4 spots : right and left shoulder , right and left VG

So on first cycle i started pining with insulin needles in shoulders and rotate between these two sites some time.. and ofc on begginging i got those pip because of virgin muscle.. and after some weeks it was better but after some shots i was getting this lumps in the area of injefting.. first i thouth i inject shoulders too often, so i add both VG sites.. and i start injecting them with the same insulin needles (now i know the needle is ofc too short - i learn hard way because i was getting those lumps almost after every injections and it was feeling like oil was need injected deep enought and it was staying between muscle and skin lets say in subq area.. and it was pain on touch , no redness , no hot , but it was hell of a pain..

So then cruise come and i lowerd the dose on 200mg test e , and for delts i was still using insulin pins , for Ventral glutes i switched to 23G x 1" needles..

On delts i sometimes still got those lumps but not too often , VG was preaty fine now on cruise..


So now last week i stared my 2nd cycle 500mg test e , and 500mg primo.

And volume of this is kinda killing me , because primo is concentrated 100mg/ml and thats for me alot more oil then on first cycle.

So it was like this:
MON - 200 mg primo , 200 mg test , 2,8cc together injected in left VG with 23G x 1" needle , first day was okay , next day in the evening area start hurting , but no lump , no redness , but glute was hard when i thouch it ..

So i thought it just to much of oil cc injected once and i will need to make smaller shots

THU - 100mg primo , 150mg test , 1,6cc together. Injected in left shoulder with 26Gx 5/8" needle .. area was preaty fine day or two then i got some pain and again the lump

FRI_ - 100mg primo , Injected in right shoulder with 26Gx 5/8" needle .. that was the only shot that was fine no pip , no lump..

SAT- 100 mg primo , 150 mg test , 1,6cc together , injected in right VG with 23G x 1" needle ... and it goes similar like injection on MON , one ore two days good ni problems , then started hurting and are was kinda hard (skin) , but no lump , no redness , no hot..

this was week 1

so now we are here on this week so

MON- 100 primo , 200 test , 1,8 cc together in right shoulder with 26Gx 5/8" needle .. i really heat up the vials for like 15-20 min in hot water and then injcted , now is WED and so far only litle bit of PIP , but no lump no nothing...


So guys now iam asking do you maybe "see" where could be are problem or what aim doing wrong?

Are needles just too shoort and im not injecting deep enought?

• FOR GLUTES I HAVE 23G x 1" needle
• FOR SHOULDERS I HAVE 26G x 5/8" nedle

Or is just too much volume of oil for my "virgin" muscles ?
And should i have more than 4 spots for rotating sites or its okay?

thanks!!

 

[Leg_locker]

Are needles just too shoort and im not injecting deep enought?

• FOR GLUTES I HAVE 23G x 1" needle
• FOR SHOULDERS I HAVE 26G x 5/8" nedle

Needles are plenty long enough

23g is huge imo and could be contributing to pip. Stick with 25g 1"

4 spots is plenty but you could add glutes so bumps are less noticeable if they happen

Is it test c or e?

Usually lumps like that are caused by it leaking sub q

Also why did you settle on a gram of gear for your second cycle every?

 

[TTren]

I usually get a lump when I inject more than 2ml at once

immediately after I use a towel with hot water and I haven't gotten a lump since

 

[Louie_bat]

• FOR GLUTES I HAVE 23G x 1" needle
• FOR SHOULDERS I HAVE 26G x 5/8" nedle

Or is just too much volume of oil for my "virgin" muscles ?
And should i have more than 4 spots for rotating sites or its okay?

thanks!!

Possibilities:

Use 25g 1 to 1.5 syringes
Your hands are shaking during the injection.
May need to warm up the oil to aid with potential PIP.
That's a lot of abuse/ volume for your shoulders, so use Glutes and VG instead.
Use a massage gun on the injection site/ jump in a hot shower to massage the area.

Maybe that'll help. Good luck

 

[Tpams]

Warming the oil beforehand definitely helps for me

 

[Rido]

Not everyone can tolerate test E.


If AAS were like the first Test E I injected, I would never do it in general...

 

[micro2000]

It's the test e. Fifteen or 20 years ago, testosterone enanthate was the go-to smooth no pain ester of choice. Now when I see a thread about pip, 9 out of 10 times it's test e related.

I stick with cyp because of this issue.

 

[bornSkinny]

It’s already been mentioned but I’d really recommend 1.5” for glutes. I tried 1” in the past and ended up with issues of oil coming back out of the injection site.

I also always warm my vials mostly because it makes the oil easier to inject. That way you can do so in a slow controlled manner.

 

[Snake634]

Which carrier oil Do you use?

Maybe Change the lab, some people tolerate different carrier oils like GSO, MCT oder Sesam

If I warm up the oil before injecting it reduces pip

You can Use a Hair dryer

 

[Joesmoke1]

I usually get a lump when I inject more than 2ml at once

immediately after I use a towel with hot water and I haven't gotten a lump since

First of all 2cc is alot for one injection site. I would spilt it up. Try quads but be careful due to the nerves, needs to be outer upper quads which is a larger muscle.