Processing raws

[2lean]

Has anyone had any experience or know the process to making raws? It starts as soy apparently, so can’t be a huge process.

 

[Stinkfinger1112]

This would be interesting to know.

 

[Krampus]

I have a few books on the subject. If you don't have a heavy chemistry background I wouldn't recommend messing with it.
That said DHEA, last time I checked, is available in most countries without restriction and I think is a much better place to start.

As a potential starting point, here's a link to one of the books I got when I was looking into it.
Terpenoids and Steroids

You could also look up the patents.

 

[Night_Owl]

I haven't done it, but I did a lot of research on this a few months ago.

I will post all the PDF's I have on this a bit later.

Also, the only real life example I found at the time, was actually a short paragraph written by someone by the name of "bremac":

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experimental: dhea was purchased from china in one kg quantity, methanol or methylhydrate from canadian tire, sodium borohydride from a hydrogen cell engine supplier online fifteen grams for fifteen dollars, good for 60 grams test. 10 grams dhea dissolved in 400ml methanol and stirred using a milk frother in a regular glass nestled in ice. 2.5 grams sodium boro are slowly added as powder at a rate that does not allow the temp to exceed 40C. if a slurry forms thats good, it means product is forming, just add more cold methanol. after a total of one hour add vinegar until the bubbling on addition stops then dump into a liter of ice water. filter thru coffe filter and squeeze dry. dry in oven at 60C.

activated manganese dioxide is made from manganese dioxide from a ceramics supplier and then its boiled in nitirc acid to activate. make nitric acid by adding boiled down battery acid to stump remover (potassium nitrate) then boiling inside a bottle with a hose running to another bottle nestled in ice to collect the nitric acid. filter and rinse with an anhydrous solvent like a fuel system water remover, activated mang diox must be absolute dry. put the diol from the first step in 300ml acetic acid then slowly add the mang diox as a powder same fashion as above, stir for six to ten hours, you won't over oxidize since exact molar equivalents are used. now flood the reaction with five times volume ice water and filter out the base test plus unreacted diol and dhea, minimum purity will be about 70%

note we activated mang diox by azeotropic distillation with benzene as we are too lazy to make nitric acid.

75 grams of dhea can be had for about a buck a gram, all together maybe 2-4 dollars a gram for heat free decent test.

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[jJjburton]

I haven't done it, but I did a lot of research on this a few months ago.

I will post all the PDF's I have on this a bit later.

Also, the only real life example I found at the time, was actually a short paragraph written by someone by the name of "bremac":

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experimental: dhea was purchased from china in one kg quantity, methanol or methylhydrate from canadian tire, sodium borohydride from a hydrogen cell engine supplier online fifteen grams for fifteen dollars, good for 60 grams test. 10 grams dhea dissolved in 400ml methanol and stirred using a milk frother in a regular glass nestled in ice. 2.5 grams sodium boro are slowly added as powder at a rate that does not allow the temp to exceed 40C. if a slurry forms thats good, it means product is forming, just add more cold methanol. after a total of one hour add vinegar until the bubbling on addition stops then dump into a liter of ice water. filter thru coffe filter and squeeze dry. dry in oven at 60C.

activated manganese dioxide is made from manganese dioxide from a ceramics supplier and then its boiled in nitirc acid to activate. make nitric acid by adding boiled down battery acid to stump remover (potassium nitrate) then boiling inside a bottle with a hose running to another bottle nestled in ice to collect the nitric acid. filter and rinse with an anhydrous solvent like a fuel system water remover, activated mang diox must be absolute dry. put the diol from the first step in 300ml acetic acid then slowly add the mang diox as a powder same fashion as above, stir for six to ten hours, you won't over oxidize since exact molar equivalents are used. now flood the reaction with five times volume ice water and filter out the base test plus unreacted diol and dhea, minimum purity will be about 70%

note we activated mang diox by azeotropic distillation with benzene as we are too lazy to make nitric acid.

75 grams of dhea can be had for about a buck a gram, all together maybe 2-4 dollars a gram for heat free decent test.

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But the process for other compounds musy be similar or different?

 

[Night_Owl]

@jJjburton a lot of them are somewhat similar.

DHEA can be used as a starting point in the great majority of compounds (or Cholesterol if you really want to start from scratch.)

For example, with winstrol you reduce DHEA to androstane and then
methylate one of the carbons (I believe carbon-17). Then oxidize another and you're almost there already. But the last step is really hard where you use ethyl formate.

 

[Night_Owl]

@jJjburton

 

[2lean]

Dang I should’ve studied chemistry more.
I’ll have to experiment in the future. Or find someone who can make sense of some of this.

 

[WolfGain]

I haven't done it, but I did a lot of research on this a few months ago.

I will post all the PDF's I have on this a bit later.

Also, the only real life example I found at the time, was actually a short paragraph written by someone by the name of "bremac":

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experimental: dhea was purchased from china in one kg quantity, methanol or methylhydrate from canadian tire, sodium borohydride from a hydrogen cell engine supplier online fifteen grams for fifteen dollars, good for 60 grams test. 10 grams dhea dissolved in 400ml methanol and stirred using a milk frother in a regular glass nestled in ice. 2.5 grams sodium boro are slowly added as powder at a rate that does not allow the temp to exceed 40C. if a slurry forms thats good, it means product is forming, just add more cold methanol. after a total of one hour add vinegar until the bubbling on addition stops then dump into a liter of ice water. filter thru coffe filter and squeeze dry. dry in oven at 60C.

activated manganese dioxide is made from manganese dioxide from a ceramics supplier and then its boiled in nitirc acid to activate. make nitric acid by adding boiled down battery acid to stump remover (potassium nitrate) then boiling inside a bottle with a hose running to another bottle nestled in ice to collect the nitric acid. filter and rinse with an anhydrous solvent like a fuel system water remover, activated mang diox must be absolute dry. put the diol from the first step in 300ml acetic acid then slowly add the mang diox as a powder same fashion as above, stir for six to ten hours, you won't over oxidize since exact molar equivalents are used. now flood the reaction with five times volume ice water and filter out the base test plus unreacted diol and dhea, minimum purity will be about 70%

note we activated mang diox by azeotropic distillation with benzene as we are too lazy to make nitric acid.

75 grams of dhea can be had for about a buck a gram, all together maybe 2-4 dollars a gram for heat free decent test.

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Man this is the golden goose I'd like to get this down so I don't have to worry about buying raws online, I would think most can agree. If you don't mind me asking, what chemistry set would I need to do this? Do I need super expensive equipment? Can I just do it in my basement? I'm going full Walter white if I can master this but I don't mean i want to sell, I wouldn't treat people like guinea pigs, I just want the control over every little detail and feel safer than I would ordering raws.

 

[2lean]

Man this is the golden goose I'd like to get this down so I don't have to worry about buying raws online, I would think most can agree. If you don't mind me asking, what chemistry set would I need to do this? Do I need super expensive equipment? Can I just do it in my basement? I'm going full Walter white if I can master this but I don't mean i want to sell, I wouldn't treat people like guinea pigs, I just want the control over every little detail and feel safer than I would ordering raws.

basic equipment. Harder part would be temp control and procuring said ingredients. Would obviously have to send out for purity tests

 

[WolfGain]

basic equipment. Harder part would be temp control and procuring said ingredients. Would obviously have to send out for purity tests

True bro, see I got a fast interest in this not only with aspirations to perfect a brew but long term as in developing designer gear, not just anabolic but break ground with a hybrid batch that enhances your motor skills and cognitive skills, I believe one day we could achieve the limitless pill lol stop laughing. Ok so if I don't someone might and I wanna be ahead of the game, yes I dream big almost ridiculously but who knows what the gov has up their sleeve

 

[LeoTC]

True bro, see I got a fast interest in this not only with aspirations to perfect a brew but long term as in developing designer gear, not just anabolic but break ground with a hybrid batch that enhances your motor skills and cognitive skills, I believe one day we could achieve the limitless pill lol stop laughing. Ok so if I don't someone might and I wanna be ahead of the game, yes I dream big almost ridiculously but who knows what the gov has up their sleeve

If that's the case you should just take up synthesizing LSD.

 

[WolfGain]

If that's the case you should just take up synthesizing LSD.

history does repeat itself.... But how can you focus in the gym when you're experiencing Joseph's technicolor dreamcoat

 

[LeoTC]

history does repeat itself.... But how can you focus in the gym when you're experiencing Joseph's technicolor dreamcoat

On just half hit?

Its actually pretty fantabulous. Anyone ever talks about not feeling connected to a muscle, I just wanna be like..."Here."

 

[WolfGain]

On just half hit?

Its actually pretty fantabulous. Anyone ever talks about not feeling connected to a muscle, I just wanna be like..."Here."

Not here to bullshit brother I've never done it mainly cause nobody has it, i have tripped and astral projected though but hey, if I knew where to get acid I would take it as a pre at least once because it sounds like a good time, does it really enhance your lifts? Ughh I'll never find it unless I make it anyway but that is very interesting

 

[LeoTC]

Not here to bullshit brother I've never done it mainly cause nobody has it, i have tripped and astral projected though but hey, if I knew where to get acid I would take it as a pre at least once because it sounds like a good time, does it really enhance your lifts? Ughh I'll never find it unless I make it anyway but that is very interesting

Not in the sense that you're going to lift more. But if you head in and work with squats at 225 and keep a slow tempo?

You feel everything on a completely different level. Went in one night after a 1.5 with a buddy to keep me from getting crazy. Started with the big three and then just got lost doing isolation work for seven hours.

Said I was just spacing out and doing random sets of anywhere from 50-ish to over 200 reps. It was the closest I've ever come to what most would call a legitimate religious experience.