Proviron or Adex?

[seand95]

i think adex is awsome, only thing is, i dont want to make my hdl's that low ever again. last cycle i used adex for a month at .5mg/d and my total cholesterol was 105 or something but my hdl's were at 9! this is too low and i know adex does this. so ive read proviron has some good anit-estrogenic uses. anyone use the stuff during a cycle or pc with good results?

 

[einstein1905]

i think adex is awsome, only thing is, i dont want to make my hdl's that low ever again. last cycle i used adex for a month at .5mg/d and my total cholesterol was 105 or something but my hdl's were at 9! this is too low and i know adex does this. so ive read proviron has some good anit-estrogenic uses. anyone use the stuff during a cycle or pc with good results?

That's because A) you were taking too much adex, and B) you weren't using nolva with it

HDL is reduced by reducing systemic estrogen too much, so using proviron in a dose that would cause similar levels of suppression would also affect HDL.

Using an AI alone isn't the way to go about things IMO

 

[bigkb]

Einstein

If .5mg/day of Adex is too much, how about using .5mg eod?... or should it just be lowered to .25mg? Also what is the half-life of Adex?

I just started a cycle, and want to use Adex. I've never used it before, and want to be sure not to use too much. I'm also going to use Nolva with it. I'm not prone to gyno, but I do get water bloat though, which I actually like a little, but not too much of it.

KB

 

[einstein1905]

Einstein

If .5mg/day of Adex is too much, how about using .5mg eod?... or should it just be lowered to .25mg? Also what is the half-life of Adex?

I just started a cycle, and want to use Adex. I've never used it before, and want to be sure not to use too much. I'm also going to use Nolva with it. I'm not prone to gyno, but I do get water bloat though, which I actually like a little, but not too much of it.

KB

Using nolva really helps increase HDL, but there is no "right" dosage. I only say he was using too much because his HDL values tell us that. AI dosing will depend on test dose, bf%, age and inherent aromatase activity.

I always seem to be just right with .25mg/day and 10mg/day of nolva

 

[Millineum Man]

How much Arimidex & Nolvadex do you recommend for 500mgs of Test a week?? Not too concerned about gyno just excess water retention...

 

[Instock]

That's because A) you were taking too much adex, and B) you weren't using nolva with it

HDL is reduced by reducing systemic estrogen too much, so using proviron in a dose that would cause similar levels of suppression would also affect HDL.

Using an AI alone isn't the way to go about things IMO

proviron is a steroid and doesn't suppress estrogen, it must work somehow like Nolva in blocking the estrogen receptors.

 

[einstein1905]

proviron is a steroid and doesn't suppress estrogen, it must work somehow like Nolva in blocking the estrogen receptors.

No, DHT (and therefore the DHT-like compounds) have been shown to have affinity for aromatase, so would therefore "occupy" aromatase enzymes and work just as AIs

 

[black0ut]

whats the half-life on adex? i'm on .5 right now, but einstein is usually right, so maybe ill drop down to .5 EoD or if daily ill take .25 ed

 

[Austin316]

In my experience Arimidex wipes out your HDL in a bad way.
Mine last time I got it checked was like 19 or some shit.

The things I have read about letro/femera say they also reduce HDL.
I agree with Einstien, you should use Arim and Nolva to keep estrogen down and a healthy Cholestrol profile.

Austin 316

 

[einstein1905]

Letro does affect HDL just as adex does. It's the excessive lowering of systemic estrogen that is what causes lowered HDL via inhibition of aromatase....HOWEVER, this is in addition to the use of AAS, which also has a significant impact on lowering HDL, so don't be too quick to put the full blame on your AI without another blood test during non AI use but still on an AAS cycle, so you can see the effects of AAS alone on HDL.


Again, don't go on a cycle and the eliminate on of the most anabolic facets of it (estrogen). Since you're at supraphysiological levels of both androgens and estrogens, there is no feminizing effects going on.....you merely get the added benefit of the anabolic effects of estrogen as well as the androgens you're taking in. Using just a low dose AI keeps hypertension worries away, but the use of nolva allows us to maintain very high estrogen levels and also be free from gyno symptoms in doing so......but more importantly, nolva helps to counter the lowered HDL effects of being on a cycle.

 

[krom]

Letro does affect HDL just as adex does. It's the excessive lowering of systemic estrogen that is what causes lowered HDL via inhibition of aromatase....HOWEVER, this is in addition to the use of AAS, which also has a significant impact on lowering HDL, so don't be too quick to put the full blame on your AI without another blood test during non AI use but still on an AAS cycle, so you can see the effects of AAS alone on HDL.


Again, don't go on a cycle and the eliminate on of the most anabolic facets of it (estrogen). Since you're at supraphysiological levels of both androgens and estrogens, there is no feminizing effects going on.....you merely get the added benefit of the anabolic effects of estrogen as well as the androgens you're taking in. Using just a low dose AI keeps hypertension worries away, but the use of nolva allows us to maintain very high estrogen levels and also be free from gyno symptoms in doing so......but more importantly, nolva helps to counter the lowered HDL effects of being on a cycle.

Einstein what amount a nolvadex do you advacate using during cycle along with adex

 

[einstein1905]

Einstein what amount a nolvadex do you advacate using during cycle along with adex

25% of the therapeutic dose of any of the AIs is more than enough for any dose of test in the 400-800mg/wk range....this is assuming that you use 10-20mg/day of nolva with it.

25% of therapeutic doses of AIs are as follows:
adex= 0.5mg EOD or .25mg/day
letro= 1.25mg EOD or even E3D is good in most cases
aromasin= 12.5mg EOD or again E3D


Remember that AAS too are responsible for lowering HDL values and many (especially the androgenic guys) raise LDL, so using nolva can counteract these effects, independent of the HDL-lowering effect of AIs.

Way back when using just an AI, my HDL was down in the low teens......after adding nolva at only 20mg/day, after 3 weeks, my HDL was back into normal range with no other modifications....LDL was also reduced.


Policosanol is another OTC that's great for lipid profiles.


Remember, AAS isn't just about the superficial. It's not about looking bloated or gyno....those are merely superficialities. it's about overall health too. A shitty lipid profile over time can lead to elevated BP and smaller vascylar diameter, which means reduced oxygenation, which means reduced workload, which means less gains....this is another reason to utilize just a low-dose AI......to JUST stay out of hypertension BP levels.....if you can't get optimal oxygen to muscles between sets, you can't recover as efficiently between sets and therefore cannot put out max workload on subsequent sets.....it's all a fine balance.


There is no magic number as far as AI and nolva dosage, as age, bf%, test dose and inherent aromatase activity all factor in. This is why YOUR bloodwork is what's crucial......mine and the few others that actually get regular bloodwork merely gives you an idea of what trends to expect...the actual values will be individualized

 

[Finisher]

The more I read about Nolvadex, the more I like it. Post cycle Nolvadex was unheard of a few years back. Now it seems to be the best way to get the "boys" back and to keep the cholesterol levels in check.

I use Proviron at times for Libito plus it dries me up. Don't know why but I seem to cut up a little while on Proviron.

I'd stick with the Adex at .5mg's EOD with the suggested amounts of Nolva. I'm one for over kill and the Chinese 50mg Nolvadex tabs are excellent for just that.

Finisher

 

[seand95]

25% of the therapeutic dose of any of the AIs is more than enough for any dose of test in the 400-800mg/wk range....this is assuming that you use 10-20mg/day of nolva with it.

25% of therapeutic doses of AIs are as follows:
adex= 0.5mg EOD or .25mg/day
letro= 1.25mg EOD or even E3D is good in most cases
aromasin= 12.5mg EOD or again E3D


Remember that AAS too are responsible for lowering HDL values and many (especially the androgenic guys) raise LDL, so using nolva can counteract these effects, independent of the HDL-lowering effect of AIs.

Way back when using just an AI, my HDL was down in the low teens......after adding nolva at only 20mg/day, after 3 weeks, my HDL was back into normal range with no other modifications....LDL was also reduced.


Policosanol is another OTC that's great for lipid profiles.


Remember, AAS isn't just about the superficial. It's not about looking bloated or gyno....those are merely superficialities. it's about overall health too. A shitty lipid profile over time can lead to elevated BP and smaller vascylar diameter, which means reduced oxygenation, which means reduced workload, which means less gains....this is another reason to utilize just a low-dose AI......to JUST stay out of hypertension BP levels.....if you can't get optimal oxygen to muscles between sets, you can't recover as efficiently between sets and therefore cannot put out max workload on subsequent sets.....it's all a fine balance.


There is no magic number as far as AI and nolva dosage, as age, bf%, test dose and inherent aromatase activity all factor in. This is why YOUR bloodwork is what's crucial......mine and the few others that actually get regular bloodwork merely gives you an idea of what trends to expect...the actual values will be individualized

Well, put! What I was doing was during pct, 100mg clomid/d 20mg nolv/d and .5mg adex/d. this was done for 21 days then stopped. at that time i got my blood work done to see where i was at and that is when i was alarmed. i will cut back on the adex next time and see where i stand. also, on the otc stuff that works well, red yeast rice has always pushed my total down very low... 90-110 range, but never helped my hdl's. on theory on that that i heard was that with such a low total and such a clean diet, that your body doesnt have a reason for putting out alot of hdl's. reason i say that is because my last test, 6 weeks or so after the worst one i had, my total was still low but my hdl's were still really low. past blood tests have always shown low hdl's but nothing to bad, just put me in a higher risk factor.