Purpose of Ingredients

[Khalil82]

What is the purpose of each individual ingredient when home brewing?

Like I know we have an oil for “carrier oil,” but what exactly is a carrier oil doing?

I’d imagine we could just have benzoyl benzoate as the solvent in the right ratio with whatever powder you’re using and then benzoyl alcohol as the preservative.

 

[Gbro]

Did you even bother to search or read anything first?

 

[LeoTC]

What is the purpose of each individual ingredient when home brewing?

Like I know we have an oil for “carrier oil,” but what exactly is a carrier oil doing?

I’d imagine we could just have benzoyl benzoate as the solvent in the right ratio with whatever powder you’re using and then benzoyl alcohol as the preservative.

Give that a shot, let us know how it goes.

Could be the greatest revelation in the steroid game since Myogen get the scene.

 

[Eman]

Fuck it... I'll spoon-feed out of boredom.

A basic AAS "brew" consists of 4 ingredients: carrier oil, benzyl benzoate, benzyl alcohol and a raw hormone.

The carrier oil is just that, it carries the solution you'll make with the BB and the hormone. It can also assist with bringing the mixture into a solution, depending on the compound being made.

The BA is meant to create a sterile solution. 1-2% of volume is typical.

How do you bring the hormone and the BB into a solution? Depends on the hormone and/or ester. Some hormones don't actually need any BB at all to come into solution. Others need quite a bit, they may even need a stronger solvent to bring the hormone into solution.

A basic compound like Test Cyp needs an "average" amount, it can be done with as much as 15% BB. However, if your house gets cold it can fall out of solution aka crash.

An exotic compound like test base needs a lot of BB, some brewers use 40% in addition to other solvents like guaiacol and ethyl oleate. Even with all of that, some will still have trouble getting it into solution.

Of course, I'm leaving out a bunch of information like heat, filtering, etc... I'm not that bored.

 

[bigrobbie]

What is the purpose of each individual ingredient when home brewing?

Like I know we have an oil for “carrier oil,” but what exactly is a carrier oil doing?

I’d imagine we could just have benzoyl benzoate as the solvent in the right ratio with whatever powder you’re using and then benzoyl alcohol as the preservative.

LMGTFY

 

[GearGodess]

Fuck it... I'll spoon-feed out of boredom.

A basic AAS "brew" consists of 4 ingredients: carrier oil, benzyl benzoate, benzyl alcohol and a raw hormone.

The carrier oil is just that, it carries the solution you'll make with the BB and the hormone. It can also assist with bringing the mixture into a solution, depending on the compound being made.

The BA is meant to create a sterile solution. 1-2% of volume is typical.

How do you bring the hormone and the BB into a solution? Depends on the hormone and/or ester. Some hormones don't actually need any BB at all to come into solution. Others need quite a bit, they may even need a stronger solvent to bring the hormone into solution.

A basic compound like Test Cyp needs an "average" amount, it can be done with as much as 15% BB. However, if your house gets cold it can fall out of solution aka crash.

An exotic compound like test base needs a lot of BB, some brewers use 40% in addition to other solvents like guaiacol and ethyl oleate. Even with all of that, some will still have trouble getting it into solution.

Of course, I'm leaving out a bunch of information like heat, filtering, etc... I'm not that bored.

LMGTFY

Hahahahaha between these two.... you'll be a pro!

Good job boys!

 

[zepp]

Raws typically won't dissolve in water, they need oil and will need some gentle heating say 150 F.

BB is your solvent to thin the solution and allow it to hold more hormone. I would never go above 25% with this stuff as it won't cause pip, but it's not all that great for you. This is why I prefer to make lower concentrations of hormone with less BB. Put a drop of BB on your finger and taste it, it's nasty shit.

BA is there not really to sterilize, but as a preservative, you have to not exceed 2%, I prefer 1%, but if you were sourcing to the public you'd want 2% to keep people safe. BA is cytotoxic, it can cause cell apoptosis, it can cause localized pip if you put too much into your brew.

Different oils have carrying capacities that differ. Higher viscosity oils won't hold as much hormone in solution, GSO is universally popular, but if you wanted to create a higher concentration of hormone of a short ester you'd want MCT, better yet Mig840 which has a much lower viscosity to hold say 200mg/ml of Test Ace or Prop.

 

[Khalil82]

I knew most of that already.

I just wanted to learn more about the necessity of “carrier oil.”

The reason being: We can make higher concentrations per mL, and there is no data to suggest lack of carrier oil decreases absorption rates.

I already know plenty of recipes floating around, but wanted to learn more about the design of each recipe for home brewing. Thanks to those that actually contributed to the learning process.

Google doesn’t yield any results when researching “carrier oil.”
I don’t know why people here act like dicks over what’s supposed to be a civil discussion for learning purposes.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

So you’re asking why a 10ml vial of correctly brewed gear has oil at all?

you want to pin BA/BB and raw hormone? I bet if you give it a try you’ll find out real quickly.

 

[Gbro]

Sounds like someone needs to try some t 400 and figure it out for themself.

 

[Khalil82]

So you’re asking why a 10ml vial of correctly brewed gear has oil at all?

you want to pin BA/BB and raw hormone? I bet if you give it a try you’ll find out real quickly.

Yes. I can’t find the data through Google and was hoping someone could explain the chemistry behind everything.

EDIT: As in I know it’s a “carrier,” but I want to know exactly what that means in terms of physiology. The powder has already been dissolved in a proper solvent. I’d imagine the body would be able to utilize it all the same with respect to its ester size.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Yes. I can’t find the data through Google and was hoping someone could explain the chemistry behind everything.

EDIT: As in I know it’s a “carrier,” but I want to know exactly what that means in terms of physiology. The powder has already been dissolved in a proper solvent. I’d imagine the body would be able to utilize it all the same with respect to its ester size.

Try it. And let us know if it results in a trip to the hospital or if you just put up with the excruciating pain from your body’s reaction.

 

[Gbro]

Yes. I can’t find the data through Google and was hoping someone could explain the chemistry behind everything.

EDIT: As in I know it’s a “carrier,” but I want to know exactly what that means in terms of physiology. The powder has already been dissolved in a proper solvent. I’d imagine the body would be able to utilize it all the same with respect to its ester size.

Here's a thought- go take some chemistry and biology classes.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Yes. I can’t find the data through Google and was hoping someone could explain the chemistry behind everything.

EDIT: As in I know it’s a “carrier,” but I want to know exactly what that means in terms of physiology. The powder has already been dissolved in a proper solvent. I’d imagine the body would be able to utilize it all the same with respect to its ester size.

The carrier oil is required for volume and diluting the concentration.

Example: You're making 10 ml of Test dosed at 200 mg/ml using 2% ba and 20% bb (numbers are for simplicity). Therefore you need roughly 8 ml of oil to bring it up to 10 ml.

Remove the oil from the example and you have roughly 2 ml of liquid with 2000 mg of hormone. (Not that i think it would hold, but i've been known to be wrong before.)

That's a ridiculous 1000 mg/ml without oil. i can guarantee you that if you injected even .5 ml (250 mg) once, you would never do it a second time.

The only other way to dilute the concentration would be to replace the roughly 8 ml of oil with more ba/bb.

Again, even at .5 ml, with that much ba/bb, if you actually succeeding in injecting the full volume without aborting after the first few drops, you would never do it a second time.

 

[zepp]

More oil, Mig840 and less BB, that's the goal of any homebrewer. Like I mentioned above, BB is nasty shit, matter of fact most all of these solvents are nasty. I've made brews without any BB or BA, for my own personal use in 5ml vials and they were smooth, no pip. Of course it wasn't prop, that stuff always has a little something whether it be an itch or soreness, but you get the idea.

 

[Khalil82]

Interesting. There isn’t too much scientific literature on the injection of BB, so I was hoping to find some answers here. Thank you to those who are contributing useful information.

And to the guys being dicks for the sake of being dicks, congratulations. I hope increasing your post count on an online forum brings satisfaction to your life.