Quality Direct Labs

[Jagger34]

Hi all. I hope this is the right place for this post and I'm not breaking any of the 3 rules (doesn't appear that I am) but I wanted to share my experience with Quality Direct Labs I ordered from <<that site that had all the shipping problems last year>>. Also, curious about your feedback.

I have been running 350 mg/week of their Test and 350 mg/week of their Tren Ace. The test is mixed between 175 mg Test Cyp (2x/week injections of 87.5 mg) and 175 mg Test Prop (daily injections of 25 mg). The reason I'm doing this with the Test is because I am on TRT with Cyp, so wanted to keep my Cyp dose as close to my TRT regimen as possible so I can discontinue the Prop seamlessly at the end of my cycle.

Also taking T3 and Clen as this was a fat loss cycle and the Test/Tren were just to preserve muscle and a little extra boost while dieting. Been on the AAS for 8 weeks now.

I went and got bloodwork yesterday 24 hours after pinning both my Cyp and Prop (87.5/25) and test results came back at only 1345 (350-1197 range). For reference, on TRT at 160 mg/week of pharm grade Cyp, my test is about 950 three days after my injection.

So I ask you guys for your opinion. Shouldn't my blood levels be much higher than this consider my current test dose is more than twice as high as my TRT dose? And if so, what do you make of the QDL test products?

 

[Jagger34]

Bump.

Curious to hear some of you more experienced guys' thoughts on the bloodwork? The guys on Eroids seem to think it is right where it's supposed to be--I'm not so sure.

 

[Drain]

bumping this to help you out.

I'm sure if you post your before bwork as well it would help.

 

[Jagger34]

bumping this to help you out.

I'm sure if you post your before bwork as well it would help.

Thanks bro. I mentioned my before bloodwork in the post, but it might not have been clear.

Before (160 mg/week Test Cyp): 938 ng/dL (250-1100)
After (350 mg/week Cyp/Prop even split): 1345 ng/dL (348-1197)

Before bloodwork was taken about 3 days after injection, so represents a trough. After bloodwork was taken 24 hours after my last pin of Prop & Cyp.

Just seems that my serum levels would have been higher @ 350 mg, proportionally speaking.

There are very few reviews of these guys out there and it seems that the only ones using them are the ones that went onto <<that site that had the shipping problems last year>> when they first opened back up for business in January.

Regardless, I got excellent results so can't complain too much, but this was my first cutting cycle. Lost 25 pounds and 9% bodyfat while my Big 3 lifts went up. The tren DEFINITELY was the real deal.

 

[DanB]

Bump.

Curious to hear some of you more experienced guys' thoughts on the bloodwork? The guys on Eroids seem to think it is right where it's supposed to be--I'm not so sure.

eroids is paid by sources as i think admin may of already stated previously

what ugl is your gear as a matter of interest?

 

[Jagger34]

eroids is paid by sources as i think admin may of already stated previously

what ugl is your gear as a matter of interest?

Quality Direct Labs is the name of the lab (from post title). My TRT test is Watsons.

 

[Bigkarch]

not really...remember its free test levels...thats actually a decent amount of free test...when you introduce synthetic test into your body, your natural test production shuts completely down....IMHO, your doing fine

 

[Jagger34]

not really...remember its free test levels...thats actually a decent amount of free test...when you introduce synthetic test into your body, your natural test production shuts completely down....IMHO, your doing fine

huh? Those are Total Test numbers, not Free Test. Free test would not be a reliable indicator of the quality of gear as it would be affected by other factors, mostly amount of SHBG binding the T as well as aromatization and alpha-5 reductase conversion. Total Test is representative of the amount of Test in your blood stream (without quantifying whether it is unbound or bound) so that is the number you should look at while comparing.

I know that exogenous test shuts down natural production, but I'm not sure exactly what point you are making? I am shutdown while on TRT and I am shutdown while on my cycle. There is no difference so I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here?

 

[Dr JIM]

Free testosterone is unbound to proteins and therefore bioavailable in vivo, which is why it represents the benchmark test when attempting to determine biologically active androgen.
Total testosterone measurements include bound and unbound plasma forms. Yet since bound testosterone is biologically inactive, total testosterone becomes a much more important factor when free testosterone levels are LOW, certainly not the case during a cycle! Why fT would be a better predictor of "gear quality" is beyond reason and patently absurd (especially considering your explanation). This smells of uneducated drug rep hype. Only twenty posts yet 50% indirectly or directly magnify "Quality Direct Labs" results.

 

[Jagger34]

Free testosterone is unbound to proteins and therefore bioavailable in vivo, which is why it represents the benchmark test when attempting to determine biologically active androgen.
Total testosterone measurements include bound and unbound plasma forms. Yet since bound testosterone is biologically inactive, total testosterone becomes a much more important factor when free testosterone levels are LOW, certainly not the case during a cycle! Why fT would be a better predictor of "gear quality" is beyond reason and patently absurd (especially considering your explanation). This smells of uneducated drug rep hype. Only twenty posts yet 50% indirectly or directly magnify "Quality Direct Labs" results.

Despite the DR moniker in front of your name, I highly doubt you have any medical training. If you put 20 apples into a bin, and that bin has a process which selectively converts some of those apples to mush, leaving only, say 8 remaining, then what does the remaining 8 tell you about your initial quantity? Unless you can accurately predict (which you can't) the rate the apples are turned into mush, then you can't determine anything about the initial quantity (except that it was >= 8). Your logic makes no sense.

Free Testoserone is dependent on factors other than just Total T, as I explained before and you didn't follow. If you want to measure how many apples are coming from a bag, you measure the TOTAL apples that go into your bin, not the amount that remains after mechanical (biological) processes occur.

If a vial says it contains 100 mg/mL, then the TOTAL amount of androgen you are injecting EACH TIME YOU INJECT 1 mL, should be 100 mg (less the ester weight). If my TRT dose is 160 mg and I inject double that, the TOTAL amount of androgen in my blood should increase accordingly. I don't know why this is so hard for you to follow.

 

[Jagger34]

Why fT would be a better predictor of "gear quality" is beyond reason and patently absurd (especially considering your explanation). .

Did you mean TT (vice fT) there DOCTOR? I think this may be a Freudian slip.

 

[Dr JIM]

Your are correct.
Can you support your earlier assertion or was that your Freudian miscue also?

 

[Jagger34]

Your are correct.
Can you support your earlier assertion or was that your Freudian miscue also?

I believe I already did so. You state Free T is a better indicator of ACTIVE androgen, which is completely true. But active androgen doesn't tell us anything about whether the product is underdosed from the label or not.

Total T is a better indicator of PRESENT androgen, which is the total amount of exogenous test in your body, and indicative of the actual concentration of the product you injected.

If you are comparing two different products, allegedly with the same concentration (200 mg/mL for instance) with the same injection volume (say 1 mL), then both Total T and Free T would be a reliable indicator and comparison between the two, since theoretically they would elicit the exact same biological responses in the body and thus Total T1=Total T2 and Free T1=Free T2 would be equal for both.

But when comparing two different brands, with different concentrations and volumes, you must rely on Total T to compare the two. Since the volume of blood is unchanged, you should see a proportional response with 160 mg vice 350 mg. This would be the purest measurement and would not be influenced by unpredictable biological processes such as SHBG, Aromataization, and Alpha 5 Reductace. Basically, you cannot predict the beginning Quantity based on what you have left after these biological processes have occurred, so it is impossible to compare the two based on Free measures of different product, concentrations, and injection volume.

 

[hulkhogan]

This guy Jagger34 is a fucking idiot and only interested in causing a flame war. He already disrespected the board and the mods. Just ignore this punk and hopefully he is banned.
Don't waste your time answering his questions. He is clueless.

 

[Dr JIM]

You are either very immature or a drug rep because what you just posted doesn't make a damn bit of sense!
Where did you come up with logic such as; "because theoretically they both would elicit the same biological response...... more junk math......both would be equal"
Bound substances DONT elicit a biological response!!!.....this time should you value your credibility read a little, no a lot, prior to reposting!

 

[hulkhogan]

You are either very immature or a drug rep because what you just posted doesn't make a damn bit of sense!
Where did you come up with logic such as; "because theoretically they both would elicit the same biological response...... more junk math......both would be equal"
Bound substances DONT elicit a biological response!!!.....this time should you value your credibility read a little, no a lot, prior to reposting!

Jagger34 has been banned from numerous boards. I doubt he even takes steroids and is just a hack repping shitty sources. The guy is totally clueless and looks like he's repeating irrelevant shit in a cut and paste manner.

I wouldn't waste my time with him as 95% of his post is just insulting people or arguing with them.

 

[Jagger34]

You are either very immature or a drug rep because what you just posted doesn't make a damn bit of sense!
Where did you come up with logic such as; "because theoretically they both would elicit the same biological response...... more junk math......both would be equal"
Bound substances DONT elicit a biological response!!!.....this time should you value your credibility read a little, no a lot, prior to reposting!

100 mg of Test Cyp from Company X and 100 mg of Test Cyp from Company Y would result in the exact same amount of aromatization, A5R, and SHBG response. This would result in identical Free T from the two.

But when you are injecting 200 mg vice 100 mg, you will have more aromatization, and more DHT conversion, and your body will release more SHBG. This is unpredictable and would not result in the same Free T given the injections.

Therefore Free T is not a reliable method of comparison between two different dosages.

What about this is it that you are not understanding?

And also, since I am obviously claiming that the QD lab gear is UNDERDOSED, how would that make me a drug rep? I dont think QD is that big that a competitor would need to come in here disparaging them, do you? lol As far as I have found, this is about the only review of QD labs on the web.

 

[Jagger34]

..this time should you value your credibility read a little, no a lot, prior to reposting!

This coming from a guy that claims Arimidex "blocks estrogen receptors":

https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/808541

Are you really a doctor, or do you just play one on TV? How was that stay in the Holiday Inn Express last night?

 

[Dr JIM]

Hulkster you were correct earlier an are now.
He's obviously an uneducated fool who would argue with a dead man.
Yep I'm done with this idiot!

 

[Jagger34]

Hulkster you were correct earlier an are now.
He's obviously an uneducated fool who would argue with a dead man.
Yep I'm done with this idiot!

Alright keep avoiding that adex to make sure your E receptors don't get all blocked up lol

Your buddy Hulkster is a scammer btw.