questions about nolvadex.........

[ccrtx7]

I did some HCG to kind of jumpstart my HPTA the past 2 weeks with no help. It would help for like a day, and then back to normal. I started to get worried about damaging further my HPTA, so I have stopped.

Chap and others who have had success with nolva for coming off of aas have convinced me that it might be a good route for me. It has been about 1 1/2 - 2 years since I have stopped, but I have never got back to 100% as far as energy, libido, etc etc.

What would be a good Nolva protocal for me?? How long?? What side effects (if any)?? Studies have reported Nolva fixing problems that aas caused for good, so that is what I am hoping for.

 

[Matt Muscle]

I did some HCG to kind of jumpstart my HPTA the past 2 weeks with no help. It would help for like a day, and then back to normal. I started to get worried about damaging further my HPTA, so I have stopped.

Chap and others who have had success with nolva for coming off of aas have convinced me that it might be a good route for me. It has been about 1 1/2 - 2 years since I have stopped, but I have never got back to 100% as far as energy, libido, etc etc.

What would be a good Nolva protocal for me?? How long?? What side effects (if any)?? Studies have reported Nolva fixing problems that aas caused for good, so that is what I am hoping for.

HCG will not jumpstart your HPTA. Its an LH analogue so it will just act like LH. It will supress your own production of gonadatrophins.
If it has been 2 years since your last run of AAS, then your testes are obvioulsy functioning, they just need more stimulus from the Pituitary. Nolva seems to be preferable in your case, as you already have approx 70% function as you stated in another post. If i were you, I would run the nolva for quite a few months at 20mgs a day then start your slow taper. Refer to Van mans suggestions, if your doing a three month course of SERMS, then perhaps drop the dosage weekly to give your body ample time to adjust.
Remember Tamoxifen needs plenty of time to work. It does not stimulate the HPTA quickly like Clomiphene citrate does, however Tamoxifen seems to be the one which enables your body to become self sufficient again.

 

[ccrtx7]

Thanks Matt. That is some good info and is backing up what I thought/starting to learn.

Is there a particluar brand of Nolva I need?? I mean, there are not many "fake" clomids and nolvas out there, are there?? I would like a good way to get some if any one could give me that info.

Thanks again guys.

 

[ccrtx7]

Hey also, will Nolva make me moody or anything like Clomid can do??

 

[Ramstein II]

No emotional si/des with Nolva, but some have reported decreased libidio with high doses as it has estrogenic effects in some parts of the brain, just hot the hypthalamus (sp?). Bro, do some reading on this. Did you read the study I posted on Clomid and the Bber who reversed his HPTA shutdown? This occurred quickly--4 weeks.

I think the recommendation of 3 months of Nolva is high. The one drawback to Nolva is that it is estrogenic in the liver which casues an increase in SHBG. Too much of that and you can get some low T type sides.

I strongly recommend getting blood work, man. You need to know what your LH levels are when on Nolva. Can too much LH for too long cause desensitization of leydig celss? I don't know. But that's my thinking; maybe someone in the know will elaborate.

See this link to a study on Nolva doses. Doese of 5mg were as effective as 20 mg in increasing LH and FSH. Think minimum effective dose for minimum treatment period. 20 mg seems safe. Maybe someone can make a recommendation 6 weeks maybe? Also, it's important to taper to avoid estrogen shock to the HPTA. Studies I've seen show an increase in E2 on Nolva.

I would recommend a visit to a good urologist if you think your HPTA is harmed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3931502&dopt=Abstract

 

[van-man]

No emotional si/des with Nolva, but some have reported decreased libidio with high doses as it has estrogenic effects in some parts of the brain, just hot the hypthalamus (sp?). Bro, do some reading on this. Did you read the study I posted on Clomid and the Bber who reversed his HPTA shutdown? This occurred quickly--4 weeks.

I think the recommendation of 3 months of Nolva is high. The one drawback to Nolva is that it is estrogenic in the liver which casues an increase in SHBG. Too much of that and you can get some low T type sides.

I strongly recommend getting blood work, man. You need to know what your LH levels are when on Nolva. Can too much LH for too long cause desensitization of leydig celss? I don't know. But that's my thinking; maybe someone in the know will elaborate.

See this link to a study on Nolva doses. Doese of 5mg were as effective as 20 mg in increasing LH and FSH. Think minimum effective dose for minimum treatment period. 20 mg seems safe. Maybe someone can make a recommendation 6 weeks maybe? Also, it's important to taper to avoid estrogen shock to the HPTA. Studies I've seen show an increase in E2 on Nolva.

I would recommend a visit to a good urologist if you think your HPTA is harmed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3931502&dopt=Abstract

tsk tsk tsk. You should've read the whole study...

One recent case report involved the reversal of a hypogonadal state in a man who'd previously used nandrolone decanoate, stanozolol, and methenolone for several months. The man complained of common hypogonadal symptoms ( i.e., loss of libido, fatigue, depression, etc.) and upon investigation his total and free Testosterone levels were 71 ng/dl and 29 pg/ml respectively. (The reference ranges were 260-1000 ng/dl and 34-194 pg/ml, by the way.)

He was then given 100 mg of clomiphene for 5 days and reevaluated 2 weeks later. He reported an improvement in mood, energy, and libido and his total Testosterone was 828 ng/dl. However, after a follow up 2 months later, his symptoms had returned and his total Testosterone concentration was 301 ng/dl. In other words, he suffered a relapse.
They then gave the man 100 mg per day for 2 months and then reevaluated his blood work. They found his total Testosterone was 705 ng/dl and no relapse occurred in subsequent blood work. A similar case reported restoration of the HPTA using the same dosage of clomiphene over a 5 month period.

clomid bad, nolva good!!!!

Oh and three months is not high, if that's what it takes to get things rolling again. You must NOT think in cycle terms when it comes to PCT. You do what you have to do and nothing less.

 

[ccrtx7]

Van do you think low doses of Nolvadex will desynsitize my Leydig cells???

 

[van-man]

Van do you think low doses of Nolvadex will desynsitize my Leydig cells???

wooahh fella. You need to sit down and re read all that stuff. You've got it turned around in your head. HCG potentially causes leydig cell desensitization, not nolvadex! Nolva is a very safe drug when taken at the doses we use it at...